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[blue1948]

I have just stupidly ventured into the Everton forum ,it takes the reading of two posts and my back is up. I don't know how they can claim to be supporters ( the clue is in the word) ,fanatics they most certainly are but so negative even with players that don't yet play for us .We are all suffering the angst ne'ertheless a semblance of tolerance and less intolerance please.

 

[jazzy]

I have just stupidly ventured into the Everton forum ,it takes the reading of two posts and my back is up. I don't know how they can claim to be supporters ( the clue is in the word) ,fanatics they most certainly are but so negative even with players that don't yet play for us .We are all suffering the angst ne'ertheless a semblance of tolerance and less intolerance please.

The Everton forum is becoming a no go area now. I only go in there for information on transfers but even those threads are toxic at the moment. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. I don't need telling 10 times a day, every day, by the same posters that we need a forward in this window. It's absolutely tedious. I've stopped reading the posts now and just look for the ones with some sort of link. Anyway, second rant over.

Boys , most Everton fans I know veer between being totally realistic to unduly pessimistic.

I'm defo in the pessimistic category - I suspect that it is just so many false dawns.

And then there are the Everton fans in the forum who seem to love to be negative who , if you like "wallow in their own grief ".

I have to be honest and say that optomistic Everton fans really are thin on the ground. The last time I was optomistic about our chances is when Moshiri took over and started a mad buying spree - and look how that turned out.

 

[anjelikaferrett]

Morning all and happy match day.

God willing I will be in Liverpool for 9am and heading for my second breakfast ?

UTFT.

Hope you have an amazing time and that we get a win.

 

[anjelikaferrett]

The insta girl was in fact Chinese.. but I will admit also quite a looker.. so good luck to her…

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Got to catch up with my reading today…
Ok this is me trying to be arty as “Man with Book” in front of the “woman with book” painting at the National Gallery.. I’ve never claimed to be an artistic genius.

Ps don’t ask me why the pic is sideways ??‍

Love this pic. Very artistic!

 

[Barnfred 55]

Boys , most Everton fans I know veer between being totally realistic to unduly pessimistic.

I'm defo in the pessimistic category - I suspect that it is just so many false dawns.

And then there are the Everton fans in the forum who seem to love to be negative who , if you like "wallow in their own grief ".

I have to be honest and say that optomistic Everton fans really are thin on the ground. The last time I was optomistic about our chances is when Moshiri took over and started a mad buying spree - and look how that turned out.

Jazz, it all depends where you draw the line on what is realistic. For me, that's a mid table finish and a season of consolidation. I don't believe any fans expectations are higher than that. Certainly not on here.

As regards the transfer window, my version of realistic is acceptance of the monetary constraints we are working under, and that some of our business will be done at the end of the window. I believe it is realistic to say that we will bring in another DM and one, quite possibly two strikers by the end of the window. The quality of those players dependant upon selling Gordon or not.

I understand that other peoples take on reality will be different to mine. Some will be less optimistic, some possibly slightly more, and some will simply not accept the financial situation we find ourselves in, or even think we should disregard them and just face the consequences later. I'm absolutely fine with that. People will also have different opinions on the players we bring in and those we have allegedly missed out on. Again, perfectly fine. No issues from me. I totally respect peoples right to hold a different opinion, so long as they are civil and relatively polite in expressing it.

I don't object to the negativity and pessimism in the Everton forum, even though I get frustrated by the sheer volume of it. But I do object to some of the toxicity which I believe is OTT at times. But what is really getting on my tits right now is that the same posters are repeating the same message time after time after time. They are like a broken bloody record and there are lots doing it. The same post 10 times a day or more every day. I can't believe we still haven't bought a striker. The third game of the season and we still haven't got a striker. Richy was sold a month ago and he still hasn't been replaced. We should have known DCL would get injured. We're going to lose every game in August and get relegated. Rinse and reoeat. It's like when you've had an argument with the missus and she won't let it go. ?

 

[Gwladysover]

Not aware of any kin being born on foreign soil so that may be the very site for me.

With a subscription is it straight forward thing to trace the tree in that it just gives you names and then signposts you to how to find out occupations and other stuff?

You can just enter details for an individual then you will get matches. Births, Marriages, Deaths etc. also entries on family trees and in street/trade directories and phone books. Best to start by compiling a tree with the details you already know and see if you can get any info from free sites before committing to a particular subscription site. Familysearch.org is quite good. I am happy to do some look ups for you on Ancestry to see if there is anything on there.

 

[blue1948]

Jazz, it all depends where you draw the line on what is realistic. For me, that's a mid table finish and a season of consolidation. I don't believe any fans expectations are higher than that. Certainly not on here.

As regards the transfer window, my version of realistic is acceptance of the monetary constraints we are working under, and that some of our business will be done at the end of the window. I believe it is realistic to say that we will bring in another DM and one, quite possibly two strikers by the end of the window. The quality of those players dependant upon selling Gordon or not.

I understand that other peoples take on reality will be different to mine. Some will be less optimistic, some possibly slightly more, and some will simply not accept the financial situation we find ourselves in, or even think we should disregard them and just face the consequences later. I'm absolutely fine with that. People will also have different opinions on the players we bring in and those we have allegedly missed out on. Again, perfectly fine. No issues from me. I totally respect peoples right to hold a different opinion, so long as they are civil and relatively polite in expressing it.

I don't object to the negativity and pessimism in the Everton forum, even though I get frustrated by the sheer volume of it. But I do object to some of the toxicity which I believe is OTT at times. But what is really getting on my tits right now is that the same posters are repeating the same message time after time after time. They are like a broken bloody record and there are lots doing it. The same post 10 times a day or more every day. I can't believe we still haven't bought a striker. The third game of the season and we still haven't got a striker. Richy was sold a month ago and he still hasn't been replaced. We should have known DCL would get injured. We're going to lose every game in August and get relegated. Rinse and reoeat. It's like when you've had an argument with the missus and she won't let it go. ?

The thing about it Fred is that it is as though they think are the only who realises the situation , that the management team will be enlightened to read their comment in a eureka moment and award them lifelong season tickets , or they are pot herbs .
I forgot to add I am optimistic .

 

[Barnfred 55]

The thing about it Fred is that it is as though they think are the only who realises the situation , that the management team will be enlightened to read their comment in a eureka moment and award them lifelong season tickets , or they are pot herbs .
I forgot to add I am optimistic .

It's the view that the world will end if we don't get a striker in before the next game that I find slightly amusing. I'm not sure if it's just impatience or fear that we miss out altogether that's the key driver. TBF we have ended other windows without bringing in our main target , such as a striker and indeed a right back. But I just feel as though this window is different in that there are so many links. Bottom line is that I'd prefer we took our time and got the right player, rather than rush something through and get it wrong.

When you say you are optimistic Blue, do you mean for the transfer window, or the season or both?. What do you think a decent season looks like, assuming we bring in Gana or similar player, and strengthen our attacking options?

 

[peteblue]

The insta girl was in fact Chinese.. but I will admit also quite a looker.. so good luck to her…

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Got to catch up with my reading today…
Ok this is me trying to be arty as “Man with Book” in front of the “woman with book” painting at the National Gallery.. I’ve never claimed to be an artistic genius.

Ps don’t ask me why the pic is sideways ??‍

there you go, this was doing my head in….

 

[peteblue]

How’s young Boris getting on Pete?

Doing really well thanks, and my daughter too.…

 

[Simon Buttle]

It's the view that the world will end if we don't get a striker in before the next game that I find slightly amusing. I'm not sure if it's just impatience or fear that we miss out altogether that's the key driver. TBF we have ended other windows without bringing in our main target , such as a striker and indeed a right back. But I just feel as though this window is different in that there are so many links. Bottom line is that I'd prefer we took our time and got the right player, rather than rush something through and get it wrong.

When you say you are optimistic Blue, do you mean for the transfer window, or the season or both?. What do you think a decent season looks like, assuming we bring in Gana or similar player, and strengthen our attacking options?

For me this season is about finding a way of playing and the players learning their roles in that system and us being able to use it to put a few small runs together. I'm honestly not bothered about league position at the moment (providing it's not the bottom 3) we have to start acting/being a proper team/club at some point instead of just blagging it every season.

 

[woodsyni]

Morning all and happy match day.

God willing I will be in Liverpool for 9am and heading for my second breakfast ?

UTFT.

Have a great day, mate. Would have been over for this one too but the kids bought me Stiff Little Fingers tickets for tonight. Went to the Chelsea game instead ?. Fingers crossed for a better result. Get yourself down to BMD - it'll have you smiling for the rest of the day ?

 

[Barnfred 55]

there you go, this was doing my head in….

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I've got a crick in the neck from looking at it.?

 

[jazzy]

It's the view that the world will end if we don't get a striker in before the next game that I find slightly amusing. I'm not sure if it's just impatience or fear that we miss out altogether that's the key driver. TBF we have ended other windows without bringing in our main target , such as a striker and indeed a right back. But I just feel as though this window is different in that there are so many links. Bottom line is that I'd prefer we took our time and got the right player, rather than rush something through and get it wrong.

When you say you are optimistic Blue, do you mean for the transfer window, or the season or both?. What do you think a decent season looks like, assuming we bring in Gana or similar player, and strengthen our attacking options?

I know you asked Blue but here's my answer Fred

1. A very good season = top 10 , a good cup run and getting rid of Gomes , Gbamin , Allan and lowering the average age of the squad
2. A good season = halfway , a good cup run and getting rid , permanently, of a couple of the deadwood
3. An acceptable season = staying up with no great dramas

Clearly we are in a rebuilding phase . Thelwell has to get players out , reduce the wage bill and still get reasonable results.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I know you asked Blue but here's my answer Fred

1. A very good season = top 10 , a good cup run and getting rid of Gomes , Gbamin , Allan and lowering the average age of the squad
2. A good season = halfway , a good cup run and getting rid , permanently, of a couple of the deadwood
3. An acceptable season = staying up with no great dramas

Clearly we are in a rebuilding phase . Thelwell has to get players out , reduce the wage bill and still get reasonable results.

Wouldn't disagree with that and don't think that's a pessimistic outlook at all. The hardest part is offloading the deadwood permanently, loans are probably the best we can hope for. I think they'd already be gone if a permanent suitor was out there. I wouldn't judge Thelwell on that though.