I would genuinely go back and read the old posts, I'm fairly confident that many of them were questioned at the time!
You are becoming a parody poster.
Mmmmm??
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Is that all down to him though?
Moshiri didnt waste that £500 million the DOF's did - if you give your 18 year old son £5k to buy his 1st car and he splurges it on cocaine and brass are you to blame for giving him money in good faith or your son for being a bit of a tit?
no one knows this so thats conjecture/opinion.
I agree communication from the club is poor but was prior to Moshiri - remember Ian Ross who spent more time being a bell to the fans than actually assisting them?
So appointing Carlo Ancelotti's wasnt a step in the right direction? Was it Moshiri's fault he done a runner when Real Madrid came calling?
Who knows but until it happens people are moaning about speculation.
Digne wanted out at that point regardless - once you throw a sickie in your time is done at the club. Every club outside of Man City, PSG, Chelsea and Real/Barca are selling clubs these days also.
I was dissapointed in that comment myself although who knows what he's really thinking - he cant call them out as being useless dossers in a public statement can he?
Maybe thats true - but its clear he knows he's bolloxed up in recent years so why are you so unwilling to give him a 2nd chance? Why did you sit on your hands for over 10+ years of Kenwrights Reign of Terror yet are ready to chase out a bloke whos invested £500 million in players and building a £500 million+ stadium on the docks????
So in summary :
Having crawled out of Benitez arse, you`re now setting up home in Moshiri`s arse.
Disclaimer; This is long - force yourselves for once.
Via Simon Harrison and Toffeeweb.
Recently, I had learnt that an 'associate' of mine, has a very, very good friend who works at EFC, within the Empire itself.
I was greatly surprised when said associate asked if I would care to join them and their friend for lunch yesterday. Of course, I agreed, and we all met at a local hostelry.
Obviously, I can't disclose who the person is, or what job role they have, other than they are middle-management within the Footballing administration side of the organisation. I'll refer to them as Q.
More or less at the start of the conversation, I was invited to ask anything I'd like to by Q, but, an answer could only be provided if it wasn't deemed sensitive by Q.
I started off by asking Q what they thought of the state of the club, and how the season could be saved.
Shockingly, Q replied, that they and a great number of management, think that EFC internally is a 'total shambles'.
There IS a definite 'Us and them' mentality between the pro-BK clique, and the rest. As well as a major issue with a 'little empire' mentality that is rife within EFC.
Apparently, if your face doesn't fit, or you make waves and rock the boat, then you're toast basically. Not to mention, that you're usually questioned by management, if your work doesn't toe the 'party line'; which, in turn makes your job much harder because of constant interference.
QED Chris Perkins, former EFC Head of Academy Recruitment. Apparently he was supported by Brands and Steinsson, but was constantly undermined in his role by other staff within the academy. When Perkins realised that Brands couldn't help (as indeed Brands was being hamstrung within the academy too), he made himself available, and the Spurs moved in for him.
As for the season, Q was quite ambivalent about what may transpire. Obviously Q 'hopes' we stay up for the obvious reasons of job security and EFC maintaining EPL status. Yet, Q also feels that 'if' EFC were relegated, then maybe, but not certainly, change may come about.
One thing Q did say, is that relegation is anathema to the clubs hierarchy, as the loss of revenue and status would more or less doom the immediate future for the club. In other words it would mean the current setup would be financially untenable, or in other words, there would be a financial implosion.
I.e. There would be immense outgoings and debt to service, yet there would be a huge reduction in revenue streams and income. Ergo, most players of any quality would have to be sold, and the club's workforce would have to be radically downsized; but for all that, the hierarchy would probably try and hang onto the reins, and claim only they can get promotion quickly back to the EPL.
I was stunned by the openness of these admissions.
There are also 'rumours' within the club that Mr. Moshiri, is currently considering all options for the future of the club... Up to, and including selling the club.
This coincided with listening to Paul the Esk's 'Talking the blues' podcast last night (23.1.22). In which Paul suggested that Moshiri may make a compulsory share purchase option, and buy up all the remaining shares of EFC the private company, which would include the shares owned by Kenwright. This would then obviously give Moshiri absolute control of the club, with no regards for any 'minority' shareholders at all. That thought makes me shudder...
Yet, Q made it clear, that as far as they are aware, the BMD project, is being pushed as hard as it can. I.e. regards finding finance. (NB Don't be surprised if a Russian lender, or organisation that operates in the Oligarch circles, provide the final finances needed.)
Q also mentioned that changes (some major) are going to be made within the footballing system, from the first team, to the Academy (especially!) and USMFF.
When asked about the manger situation; as Q is not privy to the highest echelons of the clubs, Q has heard nothing about a final decision having been made yet. Although arguments regarding appointing a new DoF have been ongoing since Brands walked, both for and against.
Speaking of Brands, as Digne said "Don't believe everything you have read."
For those questioning him (Brands), he always operated with his hands tied, and there was so much external interference (No names given by
For those questioning him (Brands), he always operated with his hands tied, and there was so much external interference (No names given by Q) that he could not act as a DoF truly, from the day he was first appointed.
However, Q did confirm that Brands was one of the 'good guys', who tried and failed to 'fix' the issues within the club. His retort in the famous fan exchange "Is it just the players?" wasn't just a barb aimed at Benitez, but at the whole rotten core of the most senior management (and by inference, the ownership) of the club. Q believes at that point, Brands had already decided to confront Moshiri and the board, with an ultimatum. His way or the highway, and we all saw how that worked out.
Most interestingly to me, the majority of transfers at the club, well over 80% according to Q, during Brands tenure weren't advocated, or welcomed by Brands. Including the signing of Moise Kean... that was apparently thrust on him from on high.
Rather than carry on, the basic synopsis of the rest of the conversation could be summed up by Q's parting thoughts.
These are quite simple really, even if we do maintain EPL status this season, the way the club is being run currently, and without major change, nothing is going to change on the pitch.
"Unless the owner decides he needs professional above-competent guidance, advice or personnel; then the current setup is not fit to run an orgy in a brothel!"
"The current board are dominated by a singular personality."
"As a matter of urgency, the club's financial position needs to be addressed. It is as if the club is existing hand to mouth."
"The only genuine rehabilitation of the club, is by a complete clear out of management of the club, even down to junior management. With all jobs being advertised on the open market, and the best candidates being put forward by the most professional recruitment consultancy. This includes the Chair and CEO roles, especially the CEO! This alongside a new, more prudent, and savvy owner taking over too."
Q is a lifelong Bluenose, and could not believe their luck when they got their job. However since being employed by EFC, they just cannot believe what a 'total shambles' it is. They are surprised that they are still relatively solvent, and that they haven't sunk without trace before this. (EFC that is!)
No club is big enough to fail remember...
I think we all need to reset our expectations to survival, until Moshiri finally decides what he wants to do with his train set, all the while being impeded by 'Bleed you dry Barnacle Bill'.
Heres hoping to a 2022/23 EPL season for EFC, despite the above.
Relegation could have calamitous consequences for the club.
Edit; @ForeverBlue92 - read
Via Simon Harrison and Toffeeweb.
Recently, I had learnt that an 'associate' of mine, has a very, very good friend who works at EFC, within the Empire itself.
I was greatly surprised when said associate asked if I would care to join them and their friend for lunch yesterday. Of course, I agreed, and we all met at a local hostelry.
Obviously, I can't disclose who the person is, or what job role they have, other than they are middle-management within the Footballing administration side of the organisation. I'll refer to them as Q.
More or less at the start of the conversation, I was invited to ask anything I'd like to by Q, but, an answer could only be provided if it wasn't deemed sensitive by Q.
I started off by asking Q what they thought of the state of the club, and how the season could be saved.
Shockingly, Q replied, that they and a great number of management, think that EFC internally is a 'total shambles'.
There IS a definite 'Us and them' mentality between the pro-BK clique, and the rest. As well as a major issue with a 'little empire' mentality that is rife within EFC.
Apparently, if your face doesn't fit, or you make waves and rock the boat, then you're toast basically. Not to mention, that you're usually questioned by management, if your work doesn't toe the 'party line'; which, in turn makes your job much harder because of constant interference.
QED Chris Perkins, former EFC Head of Academy Recruitment. Apparently he was supported by Brands and Steinsson, but was constantly undermined in his role by other staff within the academy. When Perkins realised that Brands couldn't help (as indeed Brands was being hamstrung within the academy too), he made himself available, and the Spurs moved in for him.
As for the season, Q was quite ambivalent about what may transpire. Obviously Q 'hopes' we stay up for the obvious reasons of job security and EFC maintaining EPL status. Yet, Q also feels that 'if' EFC were relegated, then maybe, but not certainly, change may come about.
One thing Q did say, is that relegation is anathema to the clubs hierarchy, as the loss of revenue and status would more or less doom the immediate future for the club. In other words it would mean the current setup would be financially untenable, or in other words, there would be a financial implosion.
I.e. There would be immense outgoings and debt to service, yet there would be a huge reduction in revenue streams and income. Ergo, most players of any quality would have to be sold, and the club's workforce would have to be radically downsized; but for all that, the hierarchy would probably try and hang onto the reins, and claim only they can get promotion quickly back to the EPL.
I was stunned by the openness of these admissions.
There are also 'rumours' within the club that Mr. Moshiri, is currently considering all options for the future of the club... Up to, and including selling the club.
This coincided with listening to Paul the Esk's 'Talking the blues' podcast last night (23.1.22). In which Paul suggested that Moshiri may make a compulsory share purchase option, and buy up all the remaining shares of EFC the private company, which would include the shares owned by Kenwright. This would then obviously give Moshiri absolute control of the club, with no regards for any 'minority' shareholders at all. That thought makes me shudder...
Yet, Q made it clear, that as far as they are aware, the BMD project, is being pushed as hard as it can. I.e. regards finding finance. (NB Don't be surprised if a Russian lender, or organisation that operates in the Oligarch circles, provide the final finances needed.)
Q also mentioned that changes (some major) are going to be made within the footballing system, from the first team, to the Academy (especially!) and USMFF.
When asked about the manger situation; as Q is not privy to the highest echelons of the clubs, Q has heard nothing about a final decision having been made yet. Although arguments regarding appointing a new DoF have been ongoing since Brands walked, both for and against.
Speaking of Brands, as Digne said "Don't believe everything you have read."
For those questioning him (Brands), he always operated with his hands tied, and there was so much external interference (No names given by
For those questioning him (Brands), he always operated with his hands tied, and there was so much external interference (No names given by Q) that he could not act as a DoF truly, from the day he was first appointed.
However, Q did confirm that Brands was one of the 'good guys', who tried and failed to 'fix' the issues within the club. His retort in the famous fan exchange "Is it just the players?" wasn't just a barb aimed at Benitez, but at the whole rotten core of the most senior management (and by inference, the ownership) of the club. Q believes at that point, Brands had already decided to confront Moshiri and the board, with an ultimatum. His way or the highway, and we all saw how that worked out.
Most interestingly to me, the majority of transfers at the club, well over 80% according to Q, during Brands tenure weren't advocated, or welcomed by Brands. Including the signing of Moise Kean... that was apparently thrust on him from on high.
Rather than carry on, the basic synopsis of the rest of the conversation could be summed up by Q's parting thoughts.
These are quite simple really, even if we do maintain EPL status this season, the way the club is being run currently, and without major change, nothing is going to change on the pitch.
"Unless the owner decides he needs professional above-competent guidance, advice or personnel; then the current setup is not fit to run an orgy in a brothel!"
"The current board are dominated by a singular personality."
"As a matter of urgency, the club's financial position needs to be addressed. It is as if the club is existing hand to mouth."
"The only genuine rehabilitation of the club, is by a complete clear out of management of the club, even down to junior management. With all jobs being advertised on the open market, and the best candidates being put forward by the most professional recruitment consultancy. This includes the Chair and CEO roles, especially the CEO! This alongside a new, more prudent, and savvy owner taking over too."
Q is a lifelong Bluenose, and could not believe their luck when they got their job. However since being employed by EFC, they just cannot believe what a 'total shambles' it is. They are surprised that they are still relatively solvent, and that they haven't sunk without trace before this. (EFC that is!)
No club is big enough to fail remember...
I think we all need to reset our expectations to survival, until Moshiri finally decides what he wants to do with his train set, all the while being impeded by 'Bleed you dry Barnacle Bill'.
Heres hoping to a 2022/23 EPL season for EFC, despite the above.
Relegation could have calamitous consequences for the club.
Edit; @ForeverBlue92 - read
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Just for the benefit of this post then adios!
I have never sat on my hands, your assumptions are so far out of kilter with reality it beggars belief.
I have lobbied Everton and the board often, I have communicated as I felt it necessary and have received responses on a number of occasions, albeit not so much in the last few years.
I, like you and many others spend a good deal of our hard earned following the Blues and as are you, we are entitled to offer opinion albeit, right or wrongly on a number of matters that concern us.
I am no better or worse than other Evertonian, my opinion when all is said and done, seem to matter not one jot to the current regime, whereas in the past there has been an open line of communication and I personally go back way further than the BK era, which rightly you call out as being remiss and negligent in their duty of guardianship of Everton Football Club.
So your assumption that fans and me in particular in this instance sit on our hands while Rome Burns is way way off track pal. There are many more qualified and educated than I to take Everton to task over matters and rightly they do so we just dont have to wave a flag about every time we do it.
The issue as I see it with your good self is your propensity to vacillate so often that you never really pin your flag to any mast, you just see where the land lies and if I may say seem more interested in your reaction score than any deed of note. Chucking millions at a thing isnt a business model or sustainable, it will eventually fail.
So good luck with your support of the snake that is Mosh and his Allies as they are at present responsible for a Club without any clear idea of where it is headed and that right royally pisses me and many many Blues off, will I give him a fair crack, I think he has had it to be honest but who knows if he completely changes course then maybe?
So on that note I bid you a fond farewell my fellow Toffee as far as here is concerned!
Unfortunately nobody will believe this because they’re so far up Moshiri’s arse it’s unreal and they’ll say the usual, probably including a laughing emoji, blame Brands and Kenwright and say something about “oh shiny new stadium” or “trying hard”
As obligatory leaving posts go - not the worst I've ever seen mate.
Why not stay and keep annoying people, just don't respond to everything or everybody
Thank you my fellow Blue, I'm only leaving my "relationship" with @ForeverBlue92 as it got to the point where I wanted to spend time with other Blues and He wasn't very understanding and we couldn't agree on many Everton related points, so I thought it best to cut my losses with that partnership going as far as it could
on ignore he goes! The marriage is null and void!I love GOT!
It keeps me sane, sometimes
!* I think I have passed the time where it allows me to edit to say its not goodbye to GOT! Doh! My bad
UTFT
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Is he a snake or just someone who's tried his best and put his faith in the wrong people?
Dont get me wrong if things dont start improving and 2-3 years from now we are walking into BMD with the exact same problems then I'll be calling Moshiri oot like you but from what I've seen in recent weeks he's acknowledged things need to change so im willing to give him time to do it based on his financial commitment to the club.
stevie blott
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Tbh Chris I think you'll be surprised at how many do believe this and have thought more or less the same, its not like degsys post is a huge shock to most on here.
Knowledgeable people believe it, certain people (above your post) are the issue in this mess
DaChunk
Player Valuation: £20m
I hope they feel silly. But I doubt it. Completely under Bills spell...very strange...
Things need to improve right now. If it takes another 2 or 3 years to improve then it's too late and we have been relegated.
We don't have time to let him continue down the same path. He either must bring about the changes required or he needs to go.
