Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

[Wat Tyler]

These will beat Watford tomorrow, who at the minute are just as bad as Norwich, surprised Ranieri has lasted this long there tbh.

 

[bilyaletdinov_]

These will beat Watford tomorrow, who at the minute are just as bad as Norwich, surprised Ranieri has lasted this long there tbh.

they’re really missing Sarr aren’t they! you’re right though should be a routine win for the horsepunchers

 

[catcherintherye]

lol I know you've got an agenda but wew. We've been playing Jacob Murphy at RB most of the season so I reckon signing an England international - who also won La Liga last season - for the price you pay (these days) for a Championship player, is pretty solid business.

Wood's a panic buy. We have no strikers and he was available.

We were 19th when Howe arrived thanks to Ashley and Bruce. Like I say, jury's out, but we've gone from definitely going down to maybe going down, since his arrival. But I like that he doesn't routinely lie and belittle supporters.

Everything I've seen from you about Newcastle affairs has turned out wrong so I must admit to being enthused by this latest waffle. Experience suggests it's a pretty good indicator of the opposite!

You werent definitely going down at all. You were comfortably safe under Bruce and Ashley.

I dont know what you've been reading mate, but every summer for the last 3, I pointed out and said the takeover wouldnt happen, when the entire world said it was about to. I then said in the autumn there may be a change if heart, which also proved to be true.

I also pointed out, you would not immediately be signing top class players, and honestly youd probably struggle to outdo sides like us and Villa for relative pulling power and financial strength. That's proven to be true.

I didnt think youd get a great manager, but thought youd do better than Howe who is awful and I'll suited (so I did get that wrong). But I've called pretty everything correct. There was no takeover in 2019, 2020 and most of 2021 as I predicted.

I also pointed of Staveley is a shady character, which was proven in court.

You have got lots of cash, but that doesnt automatically mean you will be winning the league in 4 years as some are suggesting.

But hey, if you want to translate that into getting everything is wrong, that's up to you, but you clearly dont understand what terms like "right" and "wrong" mean.

 

[catcherintherye]

They have been basically theira month the owners, already talking about foundations looking poor.

You honestly think a club owned by another human rights abusing dictatorship in the PL who needs a Sportswashing project is going to be happy being in the bottom half haha.

This will be a gradual trajectory, they'll appoint the best people in positions, just like City did, they had Mark Hughes as coach, Brian Marwood as DoF and Gary Crook as CEO the first 18 months of Mansour's ownership.

Then they threw money at those three positions and got Mancini as coach, then they raided Barcelona the best club at the time and took their DoF Txiki Begiristain and CEO Ferran Soriano.

The Saudi who owns Sheffield United is a lone prince who's worth around £200 million, you do know that they are 16000 princes in the House of Saud, I'm guessing from that worth is father was the brother of asking of 3rd previous king( Saudi kings don't reign long ow, they have terrible genetic health conditions I won't have to explain why with 25000 members in the House of Saud).

MBS who owns NUFC is the defacto leader of Saudi, his oil company Aramco makes $400 billion every 3 months.

Five years NUFC will be an established CL team and after that be title contenders.

I will happily take a bet, that by the end of the 2026 season they are not an established CL team.

They could be. But I am doubtful.

You need more than money. United have loads of money, that they can spend, and they are not an established CL team. It's not as simple as just having lots of money.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

If me Mum committed a crime, I wouldn't stop loving her at the drop of a hat.

lollol

 

[EverTheOptimist]

I will happily take a bet, that by the end of the 2026 season they are not an established CL team.

They could be. But I am doubtful.

You need more than money. United have loads of money, that they can spend, and they are not an established CL team. It's not as simple as just having lots of money.

United lol, where the owners do not care about the on field performance as long as they get their end of season dividends and also selling shares in NYC, they put Ed Woodward in charge of recruitment shows how much they care, look at how bad that squad has been since fergie retired, littered with a mishmash of a bloated squad with players under five managers and still no playing style 9 years later.

United are the example in how not to run a football club, PIF will not follow that, they'll follow the City route and raid the best executives, DoF's and Coaches, it's what Middle East Business methods are, throw money at the best people in positions you need to accelerate a business or project.

That's the thing with these ME dictatorships, they are so competitive with each other, the Airlines of Emirates, Etihad and Qatar trying to outdo each other with the best over the top elaborate first class experience, all flying the same routes vying for the #1 carrier of the ME.

UAE building a smart energy city of Masdar, Saudi announces they are doing one and an even bigger version in NEOM city.

UAE builds a F1 track, Bahrain Qatar Saudi have to have one as well.

These dictatorships of the ME don't like to make up the numbers in business or sport.

UAE buys City, Qatar buys PSG soon after and Saudi's NUFC, Bahrain will buy a club no doubt.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

United lol, where the owners do not care about the on field performance as long as they get their end of season dividends and also selling shares in NYC, they put Ed Woodward in charge of recruitment shows how much they care, look at how bad that squad has been since fergie retired, littered with a mishmash of a bloated squad with players under five managers and still no playing style 9 years later.

United are the example in how not to run a football club, PIF will not follow that, they'll follow the City route and raid the best executives, DoF's and Coaches, it's what Middle East Business methods are, throw money at the best people in positions you need to accelerate a business or project.

That's the thing with these ME dictatorships, they are so competitive with each other, the Airlines of Emirates, Etihad and Qatar trying to outdo each other with the best over the top elaborate first class experience, all flying the same routes vying for the #1 carrier of the ME.

UAE building a smart energy city of Masdar, Saudi announces they are doing one and an even bigger version in NEOM city.

UAE builds a F1 track, Bahrain Qatar Saudi have to have one as well.

UAE buys City, Qatar buys PSG soon after and Saudi's NUFC, Bahrain will buy a club no doubt.

Then oil runs out / the world goes electric and they close the chequebook lol

 

[YorkieG]

You werent definitely going down at all. You were comfortably safe under Bruce and Ashley.

I dont know what you've been reading mate, but every summer for the last 3, I pointed out and said the takeover wouldnt happen, when the entire world said it was about to. I then said in the autumn there may be a change if heart, which also proved to be true.

I also pointed out, you would not immediately be signing top class players, and honestly youd probably struggle to outdo sides like us and Villa for relative pulling power and financial strength. That's proven to be true.

I didnt think youd get a great manager, but thought youd do better than Howe who is awful and I'll suited (so I did get that wrong). But I've called pretty everything correct. There was no takeover in 2019, 2020 and most of 2021 as I predicted.

I also pointed of Staveley is a shady character, which was proven in court.

You have got lots of cash, but that doesnt automatically mean you will be winning the league in 4 years as some are suggesting.

But hey, if you want to translate that into getting everything is wrong, that's up to you, but you clearly dont understand what terms like "right" and "wrong" mean.

You said the takeover wasn't gonna happen. A few weeks later it did. Crackers how you can't just hold your hands up and say you called it wrong. It's not a crime, it's okay. Fair play for doubling down I suppose but this isn't PMQs, mate. lol

Quite why you and I are having this debate, I've absolutely no idea; but our last 38 games under Bruce were W9 D10 L19, which is bad enough - factor-in starting the new season with no wins in eight, and it's looking pretty hairy. Meanwhile playing truly abhorrent football with a half-fit squad full of rubbish players who'd completely given up on the manager. 19th in the table.
In what world is that 'comfortably safe'? Not to mention the two relegations we already suffered thanks to Ashley.

As for our prospects going forward, I've absolutely no idea, frankly. We might go down, such is the scale of damage left behind, but we might stay up. We might break the top six at some point in the next five years, we might not. I really don't know. We're an absolute state at the minute so Christ knows what the immediate path ahead leads to.

I genuinely enjoy the debate but, man, I find it absolutely mystifying how fans can have such extreme and steadfast opinions on the details of other clubs; like performances of the manager etc. I loved Benitez at Newcastle, but you tell me he's doing a bad job at Everton... Guess what, I totally friggin believe you! Why? Cos you watch all of Everton's games and I don't! How could I possibly know as well as you do? Meanwhile I'm being told I've got it all wrong re Ashley and Bruce. Eh? I've lived it for 14 years; surely there's a chance that there's some substance to my view on that?

 

[catcherintherye]

You said the takeover wasn't gonna happen. A few weeks later it did. Crackers how you can't just hold your hands up and say you called it wrong. It's not a crime, it's okay. Fair play for doubling down I suppose but this isn't PMQs, mate. lol

Quite why you and I are having this debate, I've absolutely no idea; but our last 38 games under Bruce were W9 D10 L19, which is bad enough - factor-in starting the new season with no wins in eight, and it's looking pretty hairy. Meanwhile playing truly abhorrent football with a half-fit squad full of rubbish players who'd completely given up on the manager. 19th in the table.
In what world is that 'comfortably safe'? Not to mention the two relegations we already suffered thanks to Ashley.

As for our prospects going forward, I've absolutely no idea, frankly. We might go down, such is the scale of damage left behind, but we might stay up. We might break the top six at some point in the next five years, we might not. I really don't know. We're an absolute state at the minute so Christ knows what the immediate path ahead leads to.

I genuinely enjoy the debate but, man, I find it absolutely mystifying how fans can have such extreme and steadfast opinions on the details of other clubs; like performances of the manager etc. I loved Benitez at Newcastle, but you tell me he's doing a bad job at Everton... Guess what, I totally friggin believe you! Why? Cos you watch all of Everton's games and I don't! How could I possibly know as well as you do? Meanwhile I'm being told I've got it all wrong re Ashley and Bruce. Eh? I've lived it for 14 years; surely there's a chance that there's some substance to my view on that?

Well we are having a debate because it is a forum.

As a point of order you are wrong. I said in 2019 and 2020 it was not going to happen, never mind happen imminently as most of the media seemed to be saying. I was proven completely correct. It didnt happen. At no point did I say it wouldnt happen and it did. That's just a lie.

I was proven correct, while most allegedly informed journalists were proven incorrect. It didnt happen in 2019 or 2020. They are the facts.

The PL had a change of heart. Nobody really saw that coming. But as soon as that occurred I stated the takeover had a chance of happening, which it did. So again, was proven correct. So let's stick to the events of we are going to discuss things eh?

As for Newcastle, you had a sluggish start, but you came 11th last season and would have pulled yourself out of it. You have been comfortably safe for years. Youd have been fine, Bruce knows the league and youd have regressed back to where you were under Ashley/Bruce.

You will finish a long way below that this season, so at least on the short term you are going backwards.

Re Benitez and Everton, you dont need to watch the games to see we are going backwards. We have gone from 59 points last season to way less this season. It's a simple numbers question. Numbers are objective. At present Ashley and Bruce will finish higher than Staveley and Howe, so they are not as good. Maybe in time they will get better.

As for yourselves, I broadly agree with your view. You might break the top 6, you might not. I just dont agree with the fatalism that this takeover makes you the new Manchester City. Sure it might do, but it may not. Youd have to do a lot more right, over a much longer period to get close to emulating them. In fairness though, you seem to grasp this, its more aimed at some of the wilder conclusions that are being drawn.

Having money is an advantage but it's not as much of an advantage. Lots of teams have money. Everton have lots of money. We have spent 500m to stand still, because it's been wasted signing lads who are in the mid/late 20s and upwards. It's how you spend it that matters, and 1st impressions are very underwhelming for me. Eddie Howe is an awful appointment by any measure, never mind a measure that puts Newcastle as some sort of super force.

As a final aside, just to come back on Trippier, I think you confuse objective and subjective. Objectively that level of money, for a 31 year old with no re sale value is a bad buy. But subjectively, given Newcastles specific circumstances, it could be a good buy.

 

[catcherintherye]

Then oil runs out / the world goes electric and they close the chequebook lol

I mean, theres no chance the world is going to pivot away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy and thus greatly minimise the price of the key commodity though is there? It's not like the worlds leading economies are making plans to become carbon neutral within a generation or whatever. That would be far fetched nonsense.

 

[Thomasc]

They will win today, good price for footy accumulators

 

[sageyefc]

In spite of today’s Everton gloom it was nice to see these be denied a win

 

[YorkieG]

lol when you don't know if you're on the Everton forum or the Sunderland forum.

 

[Yarrgh]

lol when you don't know if you're on the Everton forum or the Sunderland forum.

When you're on an opposition forum and realise no one really cares for you.

 

[Wat Tyler]

lol when you don't know if you're on the Everton forum or the Sunderland forum.

Still think yous will stay up but one win in January is crazy bad. Think you have made it hard for yourselves by not taking three points in your home games against Brentford, Leeds, Norwich and now Watford.