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YorkieG said:
Aye he did well. He had ten games to rescue a ship that was 19th and adrift. The first game was away to to Champions in waiting, after that we won three, drew four, lost two - but it wasn't enough. You'd have to be pretty blinkered to level any responsibility at him for that relegation, the damage was done by McClaren and Ashley.

Then we got promoted, then finished tenth in our first season back, then finished comfortably in mid-table again despite working on a shoestring budget. So aye, he did areet.

Him doing badly at Everton doesn't mean he did badly at other clubs. You won't go down anyway, you'd basically need to find ten more points this season to secure survival, such is the desperate state of the actual relegation candidates.

@JimmyJeffers what do you believe to be my principles/what principles do you believe I'm lacking?
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Well for starters you’re supporting an institution owned by a murderous and repressive regime. Any decent person would swiftly drop any association and go support Gateshead.
 

JimmyJeffers said:
Well for starters you’re supporting an institution owned by a murderous and repressive regime. Any decent person would swiftly drop any association and go support Gateshead.
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Fair enough, cheers for explaining.

I wouldn't have expected you or any other Everton fan to go and support Prescot Cables had the Saudis bought you out. I wouldn't have expected you to drop all love and affection at the flick of a switch, how could you? Everton is your club and you have a right to support your local team regardless of who owns you.

I wish we weren't owned by a murderous and oppressive regime, I genuinely mean that. But above all, I'm a Newcastle fan and I just want to support my team. Does me scratching my arse on the sofa whilst saying "[Poor language removed]'s sake" as Joelinton belts one over the bar make me complicit in murders/oppression in the Middle-East?

If so, where do we draw the line? I don't want to go into 'whataboutery' because it doesn't help the conversation, but genuinely, how far do we go - in all walks of life - to ensure our actions aren't indirectly and several times removed from some atrocity elsewhere on the globe, that we have no material influence over? The safest thing to do in that case is hunker down, drink water from the bog and eat nothing but homegrown potatoes. What calibre or type of person has to own a club to enable a fan to have a completely clear conscience? For a club (Everton included) to be owned by a billionaire, someone, somewhere along the line has suffered for that club to be owned by that person. That's the nature of a society where billionaires exist. I'm not comparing the scale of wrongdoings between owners here, btw. I'm saying fans can't control who owns them.

I've said this before on here but the system of the game and ownership is unfair on fans a lot of the time. What was once a working man's game has become a geopolitical football (pun intended) and a billionaire's playground. Fans have been railroaded into being expected to have an opinion on Yemen when, really, we just want to talk about right-backs. That being said, on the other hand, because of this, football does a grand job of raising awareness of issues elsewhere, and almost insisting on people that they educate themselves. Some react sensibly, some (a very small amount) go round with tea towels on their head waiving fivers. So there's pros and cons to the issue.

What's unfair is expecting people to drop all ingrained emotional ties because of something beyond your control. If me Mum committed a crime, I wouldn't stop loving her at the drop of a hat.
 
YorkieG said:
Aye he did well. He had ten games to rescue a ship that was 19th and adrift. The first game was away to to Champions in waiting, after that we won three, drew four, lost two - but it wasn't enough. You'd have to be pretty blinkered to level any responsibility at him for that relegation, the damage was done by McClaren and Ashley.

Then we got promoted, then finished tenth in our first season back, then finished comfortably in mid-table again despite working on a shoestring budget. So aye, he did areet.

Him doing badly at Everton doesn't mean he did badly at other clubs. You won't go down anyway, you'd basically need to find ten more points this season to secure survival, such is the desperate state of the actual relegation candidates.

@JimmyJeffers what do you believe to be my principles/what principles do you believe I'm lacking?
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1 point adrift with a game in hand?
 
YorkieG said:
Fair enough, cheers for explaining.

I wouldn't have expected you or any other Everton fan to go and support Prescot Cables had the Saudis bought you out. I wouldn't have expected you to drop all love and affection at the flick of a switch, how could you? Everton is your club and you have a right to support your local team regardless of who owns you.

I wish we weren't owned by a murderous and oppressive regime, I genuinely mean that. But above all, I'm a Newcastle fan and I just want to support my team. Does me scratching my arse on the sofa whilst saying "[Poor language removed]'s sake" as Joelinton belts one over the bar make me complicit in murders/oppression in the Middle-East?

If so, where do we draw the line? I don't want to go into 'whataboutery' because it doesn't help the conversation, but genuinely, how far do we go - in all walks of life - to ensure our actions aren't indirectly and several times removed from some atrocity elsewhere on the globe, that we have no material influence over? The safest thing to do in that case is hunker down, drink water from the bog and eat nothing but homegrown potatoes. What calibre or type of person has to own a club to enable a fan to have a completely clear conscience? For a club (Everton included) to be owned by a billionaire, someone, somewhere along the line has suffered for that club to be owned by that person. That's the nature of a society where billionaires exist. I'm not comparing the scale of wrongdoings between owners here, btw. I'm saying fans can't control who owns them.

I've said this before on here but the system of the game and ownership is unfair on fans a lot of the time. What was once a working man's game has become a geopolitical football (pun intended) and a billionaire's playground. Fans have been railroaded into being expected to have an opinion on Yemen when, really, we just want to talk about right-backs. That being said, on the other hand, because of this, football does a grand job of raising awareness of issues elsewhere, and almost insisting on people that they educate themselves. Some react sensibly, some (a very small amount) go round with tea towels on their head waiving fivers. So there's pros and cons to the issue.

What's unfair is expecting people to drop all ingrained emotional ties because of something beyond your control. If me Mum committed a crime, I wouldn't stop loving her at the drop of a hat.
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Enjoy the rollercoaster. Give us a wave in 5 yrs time, from your lofty perch.
 
MikeH72 said:
1 point adrift with a game in hand?
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Your memory's better than mine. lol We were adrift from actual safety, yeah, there was only four teams in the relegation battle and we were right in the mire. It wasn't Benitez's doing in any case, like I say; he actually got us into some form and we went the last six games unbeaten. None of this has anything to do with him at Everton obviously, which is my point.
 

YorkieG said:
Your memory's better than mine. lol We were adrift from actual safety, yeah, there was only four teams in the relegation battle and we were right in the mire. It wasn't Benitez's doing in any case, like I say; he actually got us into some form and we went the last six games unbeaten. None of this has anything to do with him at Everton obviously, which is my point.
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Was he a fan of the flat back 5 when he was managing you?
 
MikeH72 said:
Was he a fan of the flat back 5 when he was managing you?
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It definitely got used on occasion in the first season back, a 0-1 defeat at home to City standing out.

Championship it was mostly a pretty orthodox 4-4-1-1 from memory. By the time he left it was 3-4-3 with Ritchie and Yedlin moonlighting as wing-backs; Perez and Almiron buzzing around Rondon at the top end.
 
YorkieG said:
It definitely got used on occasion in the first season back, a 0-1 defeat at home to City standing out.

Championship it was mostly a pretty orthodox 4-4-1-1 from memory. By the time he left it was 3-4-3 with Ritchie and Yedlin moonlighting as wing-backs; Perez and Almiron buzzing around Rondon at the top end.
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Like flies around sh...

Rondon hasn't changed that much then.
 
boris said:
They don’t now when they’re second from bottom. They will in 12 months when they want to try and kick on but he’s knocking on to 33 and his legs have gone.

HeI’ll do a job for them in the championship though.
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I think they are happy to have him till his contract finishes.


EverTheOptimist said:
They have been basically theira month the owners, already talking about foundations looking poor.

You honestly think a club owned by another human rights abusing dictatorship in the PL who needs a Sportswashing project is going to be happy being in the bottom half haha.

This will be a gradual trajectory, they'll appoint the best people in positions, just like City did, they had Mark Hughes as coach, Brian Marwood as DoF and Gary Crook as CEO the first 18 months of Mansour's ownership.

Then they threw money at those three positions and got Mancini as coach, then they raided Barcelona the best club at the time and took their DoF Txiki Begiristain and CEO Ferran Soriano.

The Saudi who owns Sheffield United is a lone prince who's worth around £200 million, you do know that they are 16000 princes in the House of Saud, I'm guessing from that worth is father was the brother of asking of 3rd previous king( Saudi kings don't reign long ow, they have terrible genetic health conditions I won't have to explain why with 25000 members in the House of Saud).

MBS who owns NUFC is the defacto leader of Saudi, his oil company Aramco makes $400 billion every 3 months.

Five years NUFC will be an established CL team and after that be title contenders.
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Could you be more specific on the items in bold please?
 

If you get a player in on a two year deal, do you amortise the player’s value over a shorter time than if he was on a longer contract? Hence taking a bigger up front hit to ffp but freeing it up again sooner?
 

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