Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds

[COYBL25]

Just had a bit of a catch up in this thread.

According to Dave, the Queen's a nazi who murdered Princess Diana, muslim women aren't safe in English pubs, UEFA have rigged the tournament in England's favour, the England team is the Tory party on the pitch and are being politically weaponised by the government, who are also a bunch of murderers (the government that is, not the England team). Oh, and Souness hates Scotland and loves England.

Who could fail to be convinced by such rational debate?

lol lol lol lol

 

[davek]

It is about much more than just one post, that was put up as a counter argument to your pictures of people dressed up and Boris Johnson, what were you trying to tell us with those pictures, exactly. Apparently it was not highlighting the exclusive nature of England football team, so what was it?

Two counter arguments, in relation to the bigger picture, is the England team racist and can the fans be inclusive? As a whole. I would say undeniably that the fans can be. I know enough England fans to be pretty certain of that. You will always get a minority of idiots following any football team so why use this as a reason to hate on the actual football team. I would see apathy as a much more pleasant way to view the national team.

Fair point, the Tesco argument was maybe not the best example, I suppose I could have made it more specific and you had the choice of shops, one was cheaper and closer, etc. etc. but you are right, it will probably always come down to the counter argument about need and want.

I am not sure on your question regarding getting into football. I got into football because both my parents loved football, they were both fans of the national side so I followed that and enjoyed it (apart from crying my eyes out during Italia 90 and the perpetual misery but supporting Everton and Barrow that was a given at club level as well.

What do you mean, identify. Are you claiming I identify with a fan dressed as a crusading knight or I identify with Boris Johnson because thwey support the same team as me, you can be a football fan and have differing opinions to other fans, on politics and fancy dress. I really don't get your point on enabling and identifying with other fans?

My argument isn't that England fans are all jingoistic and potential thugs. My claim is that there's a large minority who are and that that comes out when the national team get beat in big games. The photos of Johnson and the Crusaders were there to underline who @MikelsGoat was allying himself with, nothing more than that. I didn't claim them to be typical England fans.

Most of all, I underlined to @Jamo Martinez that his posting of 3 muslim women supporting England was not representative of the inclusiveness of supporting England and that it was atypical and that anyone from that background who displayed their religious leanings amongst a group of England fans in bars and pubs would be taking a gamble with their own menatl and physdical well-being. That is just the way it is. Unfortunately.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Anyway, Italy v Spain should be good.

Please stay on topic
i.e. racism/knuckle draggers/Muslim haters/murdering scum, etc etc

 

[Zezti]

Come on Italy.

 

[Yid4life]

Please stay on topic
i.e. racism/knuckle draggers/Muslim haters/murdering scum, etc etc

Tory gammons?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Get behind your team FFS. Its realistically the only chance of ever winning something in your lifetime.

I think England not winning a trophy in the next couple decades would be a massive failure. They've figured out development to a large extent and they've got more money in their football than anywhere else by a distance. They should be really good.

 

[MikeH72]

I think England not winning a trophy in the next couple decades would be a massive failure. They've figured out development to a large extent and they've got more money in their football than anywhere else by a distance. They should be really good.

The money is in the Premier League, it doesn’t filter down to lower leagues and grassroots. Just because Premier League teams have loads of money to pay players stupid wages doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll develop English players better. However yes, this current generation of players is really good and should win something.

 

[coollino]

this thread at 10pm tomorrow will probably be better than the actual game.

i think i support 'good thread' over a good game now.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The money is in the Premier League, it doesn’t filter down to lower leagues and grassroots. Just because Premier League teams have loads of money to pay players stupid wages doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll develop English players better. However yes, this current generation of players is really good and should win something.

Chelsea, City and others have put tons of it toward development. Sadly grass roots isn't where great players come from that often, it's the elite academies. And the PL gives England an edge there.

 

[MikeH72]

Chelsea, City and others have put tons of it toward development. Sadly grass roots isn't where great players come from that often, it's the elite academies. And the PL gives England an edge there.

All players in elite youth academies were playing grassroots at some point, that’s where it all starts. You aren’t born into a club’s academy, you’re scouted and picked up from local/school teams at a young age.

City have done it very well, yes. But the same can’t be said of most other clubs even in the Premier League. Clubs are far more interested in spending to preserve their league status year on year and to invest in their academies, I mean you only have to look at the state of our academy. Likewise clubs like Palace, Burnley, Newcastle etc are essentially letting their academies rot. Southampton and West Ham are good examples of clubs that have invested in their youth structure.

 

[TheBigIguana]

All players in elite youth academies were playing grassroots at some point, that’s where it all starts. You aren’t born into a club’s academy, you’re scouted and picked up from local/school teams at a young age.

City have done it very well, yes. But the same can’t be said of most other clubs even in the Premier League. Clubs are far more interested in spending to preserve their league status year on year and to invest in their academies, I mean you only have to look at the state of our academy. Likewise clubs like Palace, Burnley, Newcastle etc are essentially letting their academies rot. Southampton and West Ham are good examples of clubs that have invested in their youth structure.

Sheffield United have a great one I think. I just don't really see any excuse for England not having tons of talent. Yes the money largely goes into owners pockets but that is true everywhere so they still have a funding advantage. It's just about figuring out what you're doing and I think enough clubs have that the national team will be well stocked for the foreseeable future. So they should win something.

 

[Billy Dean]

Sheffield United have a great one I think. I just don't really see any excuse for England not having tons of talent. Yes the money largely goes into owners pockets but that is true everywhere so they still have a funding advantage. It's just about figuring out what you're doing and I think enough clubs have that the national team will be well stocked for the foreseeable future. So they should win something.

I think you can say England does have tons of talent nowadays. Not yet fully visible at senior level, but probably in the next 5-10 years. From what I've read Bellingham's year group is the best one. As good as the Sancho/Foden year group but much more depth.

 

[superkeeper]

I think England not winning a trophy in the next couple decades would be a massive failure. They've figured out development to a large extent and they've got more money in their football than anywhere else by a distance. They should be really good.

I think the next couple of tournaments, along with this one as well, will probably be England’s best chance of winning something and ones where you’d have to consider them one of the favourites before they start. Beyond that, it’s hard to say, as a few years from now, other countries could have some world class players come through and become a great team where’d you have them ahead of England even if we still produce a good team. In the main though, not winning something with the players available for the next few years would be a disappointment.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think the next couple of tournaments, along with this one as well, will probably be England’s best chance of winning something and ones where you’d have to consider them one of the favourites before they start. Beyond that, it’s hard to say, as a few years from now, other countries could have some world class players come through and become a great team where’d you have them ahead of England even if we still produce a good team. In the main though, not winning something with the players available for the next few years would be a disappointment.

They'll have a lot of good players in their prime so to speak for 2024-2028. That's probably the sweet spot but they're also good now.

 

[Nymzee]

Italy England final.