Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds

[TaffyToffee85]

All very strange that one, I knew it was classed as a quarter final so I did look it up before posting just to see did Yugoslavia win it. However it does indicate that was in the 'qualification stage' for the tournament.

It was 4 teams in the finals back then, which was odd. Luxembourg would have had a finals tournament appearance to their name if it was the final 8 (1968 wasn’t it?).

That same year they had a club who are so far the only Luxembourgish team to make it to the first round proper of the straight knockout version of the European Cup.

 

[Nymzee]

I would posit that there are levels of fandom, and that we move through them across time and space.

None of us get completely crushed or positively uplifted by sports the way we did when we were kids with nothing else to worry about, except on those rare occasions when we do.

The qualities of the people and situations that have to be involved for us to return to that level of emotional connection vary from person to person.

Do you have to be quite so American?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I posted photos without context or words; you were the one who brought in the issue of representation by posting a photo claiming the inclusiveness of following England.

Let's have it right: it shouldn't be this way, but the national football team are seen as a last bastion of white England. Some outside of that ethnicity may identify with the national team - and good for them for trying to deny them that space. But national teams are vehicles for right wing identity politics based on exclusiveness - see for examples the Golden Dawn movement that latched onto the Greek national team and the Carpathian Brigade who have turned support for Hungary into a pro-Urban, pro-fascist activity.

Seriously Dave. Two photos with clear right wing connotations. No context? (please don't insult my intelligence by denying that). You're very next paragraph in this post is typical of the continuous narrative you push about support for the national team being the preserve of right wing neandertals.

Obviously right wingers will try to sequester any popular movement. But those very people are feeling more and more alienation from the current group of players in the English national team due to their stances (and ethnicity, obviously).

And again, national teams are not the only ones (which can be) used as vehicles for right wing identity politics. I'm old enough to remember the chants of 'Everton are white'. But before you try to twist that last bit, I'm also well aware that neither Everton, nor any other club, had any kind of monopoly as far as racist elements in their fan base are concerned.

And neither do the England national team.

 

[everton fan number one]

Seriously Dave. Two photos with clear right wing connotations. No context? (please don't insult my intelligence by denying that). You're very next paragraph in this post is typical of the continuous narrative you push about support for the national team being the preserve of right wing neandertals.

Obviously right wingers will try to sequester any popular movement. But those very people are feeling more and more alienation from the current group of players in the English national team due to their stances (and ethnicity, obviously).

And again, national teams are not the only ones (which can be) used as vehicles for right wing identity politics. I'm old enough to remember the chants of 'Everton are white'. But before you try to twist that last bit, I'm also well aware that neither Everton, nor any other club, had any kind of monopoly as far as racist elements in their fan base are concerned.

And neither do the England national team.

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[BlueToff]

I think its more of a degree of being arsed about them. 1990, 1996, were really engaged with them, since then, I have followed them, but when they have gone out, it felt nothing like the earlier tournaments. But this group have produced the same levels of arsed again. In the last WC and this one comp.

This is it for me.

I got into footy because of and during the 2002 World Cup. I didn't start supporting Everton until later that year - when my dad informed me I was an Evertonian (even though I hadn't liked footy before that point).

But from 2002 to 2006, I was obsessed with England as much as Everton. Balled my eyes out when we got knocked out of 2004 (we'd have won it if Rooney stayed fit mind) and 2006, both on pens IIRC.

When we didn't qualify in 2008 I'd already really moved on to just having Everton in my life to disappoint me, and i fell out of love with England for the next few years - mainly because Everton players like Baines and Jagielka would constantly get overlooked and then get pelters whenever they did play.

Laughed when we got knocked out in 2014 and 2016. But tbf to Southgate he really caught something in 2018. I wasn't devastated when we went out, but I enjoyed the ride, and that's where I'm at now. Very much want to go on and win it, though I won't be too disheartened if we don't. It's actually a nice feeling. I'm trying it with Everton, but they've got a special place in my hatred and despair.

 

[davek]

Seriously Dave. Two photos with clear right wing connotations. No context? (please don't insult my intelligence by denying that). You're very next paragraph in this post is typical of the continuous narrative you push about support for the national team being the preserve of right wing neandertals.

Obviously right wingers will try to sequester any popular movement. But those very people are feeling more and more alienation from the current group of players in the English national team due to their stances (and ethnicity, obviously).

And again, national teams are not the only ones (which can be) used as vehicles for right wing identity politics. I'm old enough to remember the chants of 'Everton are white'. But before you try to twist that last bit, I'm also well aware that neither Everton, nor any other club, had any kind of monopoly as far as racist elements in their fan base are concerned.

And neither do the England national team.

We need to go back here to your original claim (made via your presenting a tweet that showed muslim women out supporting England and including the words "inclusive England" and "representation") that the basis for viewing the national team and their fans in jingoistic terms is over and the tide has turned on the traditional knuckle draggers who supported England, and that they are merely one strand of supporting England - and perhaps even marginalised.

Maybe you should have a word with a few Scots on here who have to put up with "banter" about Jocks and porridge, or Irish on here who'll tell you about the constant insults about "no surrender to the IRA" or the black Evertonians who look on at the booing of the BLM stance taken up by the England team.

You've been seduced by the feelgood nonsense that's been propagated by the English media about this particular edition of the England team and the people they draw to them. If England go out on Wednesday you'll be quickly disabused of all that when their fans stary wrecking town centres and targeting minorities, which they have terrible past form in doing.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Spain doesn't come into it because you didn't post a photo of muslim women supporting Spain in Spain; you posted a photo of muslim women supporting England in England.

You really are weird.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Do you have to be quite so American?

Yes. I am a profane, nerdy American. I only get to let one of those out around here. Is what it is.

 

[BlueStevie35]

We need to go back here to your original claim (made via your presenting a tweet that showed muslim women out supporting England and including the words "inclusive England" and "representation") that the basis for viewing the national team and their fans in jingoistic terms is over and the tide has turned on the traditional knuckle draggers who supported England, and that they are merely one strand of supporting England - and perhaps even marginalised.

Maybe you should have a word with a few Scots on here who have to put up with "banter" about Jocks and porridge, or Irish on here who'll tell you about the constant insults about "no surrender to the IRA" or the black Evertonians who look on at the booing of the BLM stance taken up by the England team.

You've been seduced by the feelgood nonsense that's been propagated by the English media about this particular edition of the England team and the people they draw to them. If England go out on Wednesday you'll be quickly disabused of all that when their fans stary wrecking town centres and targeting minorities, which they have terrible past form in doing.

Don't recall any of that happening 3 years ago, these last 3 years have done a lot more to unite the country behind the national team than at any point since 96

 

[Jamo Martinez]

We need to go back here to your original claim (made via your presenting a tweet that showed muslim women out supporting England and including the words "inclusive England" and "representation") that the basis for viewing the national team and their fans in jingoistic terms is over and the tide has turned on the traditional knuckle draggers who supported England, and that they are merely one strand of supporting England - and perhaps even marginalised.

Maybe you should have a word with a few Scots on here who have to put up with "banter" about Jocks and porridge, or Irish on here who'll tell you about the constant insults about "no surrender to the IRA" or the black Evertonians who look on at the booing of the BLM stance taken up by the England team.

You've been seduced by the feelgood nonsense that's been propagated by the English media about this particular edition of the England team and the people they draw to them. If England go out on Wednesday you'll be quickly disabused of all that when their fans stary wrecking town centres and targeting minorities, which they have terrible past form in doing.

Sorry Dave but we need to go back to your original, and continuous claim (and I'm talking about long before this thread) that England are supported in the main by violent, right wing thugs and the rest of us are either apologists or naive enablers.

I merely posted the tweet of the Muslim women as a counterpoint to your posts with images of fans dressed as crusaders and Boris bloody Johnson.
Not, as you arrogantly presume, because I've been seduced by the 'feelgood nonsense'. I'm well aware there aren't countless thousands of BAME England fans with an invite to Nigel Farage's post match celebration party.

My only real claim is that my reason for watching England is everything to do with habit and nothing at all to do with jingoism. And I'm sure it is for most.

 

[Wolf8312]

Sorry Dave but we need to go back to your original, and continuous claim (and I'm talking about long before this thread) that England are supported in the main by violent, right wing thugs and the rest of us are either apologists or naive enablers.

I merely posted the tweet of the Muslim women as a counterpoint to your posts with images of fans dressed as crusaders and Boris bloody Johnson.
Not, as you arrogantly presume, because I've been seduced by the 'feelgood nonsense'. I'm well aware there aren't countless thousands of BAME England fans with an invite to Nigel Farage's post match celebration party.

My only real claim is that my reason for watching England is everything to do with habit and nothing at all to do with jingoism. And I'm sure it is for most.

Me too. I like the vast majority of England fans support them for the same reason I support my club team Everton because I have supported them since I was a child and have remained loyal to them and to my own country. All this political nonsense is a symptom of the wider political situation and should be scorned and ignored at all costs.

Be tolerant and inclusive. Hate England! They do not know what planet they are living on!

 

[MikeH72]

Don't recall any of that happening 3 years ago, these last 3 years have done a lot more to unite the country behind the national team than at any point since 96

This is why the extremists hate them. They want us all divided, by colour/gender etc. But the England team are bringing people of all cultural backgrounds together at this moment in time, and they absolutely hate it.

Love is stronger than hate.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

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I should probably stop smoking and drinking because Farage smokes and drinks

 

[barneygumble]

This is why the extremists hate them. They want us all divided, by colour/gender etc. But the England team are bringing people of all cultural backgrounds together at this moment in time, and they absolutely hate it.

Love is stronger than hate.

What a boss, boss shout.

Nailed it.

 

[TaffyToffee85]

Don't recall any of that happening 3 years ago, these last 3 years have done a lot more to unite the country behind the national team than at any point since 96

After the Croatia loss, there was a riot in Birmingham and trashing of an IKEA store after beating Sweden.

Apart from all that, everyone else was well behaved and in fantastic spirit. I was told by fellow Evertonian friends in England, that they never seen the team bring a country together so well since 1996.