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Zatara said:
Their next 3 league games are all winnable...lets see where they are after those...
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Yep, wouldn’t tule anybody out for that last CL place who can put a run together.

3 of the 4 slots are nailed on unless Leicester or Man U have a monumental melt down.
 

Over a medium term XG never lies - Jose looked a miracle worker early this season when Kane and Son where out performing it massively. Restoring that to the mean and they are bang average (team, not kane and son) with a negative manager who is rotting squad morale and fan patience
 

number4. said:
Over a medium term XG never lies - Jose looked a miracle worker early this season when Kane and Son where out performing it massively. Restoring that to the mean and they are bang average (team, not kane and son) with a negative manager who is rotting squad morale and fan patience
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Almost like a strategy of scoring on your first shot so you can sit back and look to counter for 80 minutes isn't actually sustainable. Shocker that.
 
number4. said:
Over a medium term XG never lies - Jose looked a miracle worker early this season when Kane and Son where out performing it massively. Restoring that to the mean and they are bang average (team, not kane and son) with a negative manager who is rotting squad morale and fan patience
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Bit like Klopp then?
 

number4. said:
Over a medium term XG never lies - Jose looked a miracle worker early this season when Kane and Son where out performing it massively. Restoring that to the mean and they are bang average (team, not kane and son) with a negative manager who is rotting squad morale and fan patience
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Sometimes it can (The Burnley paradime- great blocking and very good at headed goals tends to break it) but in general it's a good model to use.

They are just nowhere near good enough defensively though. I was thinking this in the car on the way home. That Liverpool defeat, if he had even a vaguely competent defence, who know to whack a ball clear in the box when it drops (rather than Dier and Rodon dummying it, and Lloris not pushing it out for a corner against the smallest team in the league) they probably scumbag an undeserved 1-0 win there and it's a classic Mourinho performance. But his defenders just aren't anywhere near good enough.

He hasn't helped himself, playing Dier over Alderweirld and Sanchez. But essentially Spurs gambled on themselves having top class players who just needed some tactical arranging into shape. What you see is they had decent players, made to look top class for a time under Pochettino, and Mourinho's model only really works with excellent defenders. He plays a game of fine margins, and they are nowhere near.

The worry for them, is this is like the Mourinho golden period and it only gets worse from here. You factor in fairly acute financial troubles to come and there are a lot of alarm bells for me if I'm a Spurs fan. They should have been competing to win the league. City have stormed through but they'd got themselves into a great position, and you never know what happens with pressure. They've completely bottled it.
 
catcherintherye said:
Sometimes it can (The Burnley paradime- great blocking and very good at headed goals tends to break it) but in general it's a good model to use.

They are just nowhere near good enough defensively though. I was thinking this in the car on the way home. That Liverpool defeat, if he had even a vaguely competent defence, who know to whack a ball clear in the box when it drops (rather than Dier and Rodon dummying it, and Lloris not pushing it out for a corner against the smallest team in the league) they probably scumbag an undeserved 1-0 win there and it's a classic Mourinho performance. But his defenders just aren't anywhere near good enough.

He hasn't helped himself, playing Dier over Alderweirld and Sanchez. But essentially Spurs gambled on themselves having top class players who just needed some tactical arranging into shape. What you see is they had decent players, made to look top class for a time under Pochettino, and Mourinho's model only really works with excellent defenders. He plays a game of fine margins, and they are nowhere near.

The worry for them, is this is like the Mourinho golden period and it only gets worse from here. You factor in fairly acute financial troubles to come and there are a lot of alarm bells for me if I'm a Spurs fan. They should have been competing to win the league. City have stormed through but they'd got themselves into a great position, and you never know what happens with pressure. They've completely bottled it.
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I was looking at some of his teams recently and this is undoubtedly true, he relied on having a great team that in a structured set up would win because most days they were better than the other team man for man. Spurs aren't, especially when they're playing a backline that includes guys like Dier, Ben Davies and Doherty who was a terrible fit. Jose has no second plan, the first was very strong with Son and Kane blitzkrieging teams each week, but it isn't surprising anyone anymore and there is nothing else.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I was looking at some of his teams recently and this is undoubtedly true, he relied on having a great team that in a structured set up would win because most days they were better than the other team man for man. Spurs aren't, especially when they're playing a backline that includes guys like Dier, Ben Davies and Doherty who was a terrible fit. Jose has no second plan, the first was very strong with Son and Kane blitzkrieging teams each week, but it isn't surprising anyone anymore and there is nothing else.
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You're right, Doherty was an awful buy.

Essentially everything you say. He plays the fine margins to get world class players over the line. They gambled their players have improved to that level, but outside of Son/Kane they haven't. So he's fairly redundant. I'm sure he has certain magic to work, but none of the Spurs players are at the level where they can really benefit from it.

I thought he might have "Inter Milaned" them. Not to be though.
 
catcherintherye said:
Sometimes it can (The Burnley paradime- great blocking and very good at headed goals tends to break it) but in general it's a good model to use.

They are just nowhere near good enough defensively though. I was thinking this in the car on the way home. That Liverpool defeat, if he had even a vaguely competent defence, who know to whack a ball clear in the box when it drops (rather than Dier and Rodon dummying it, and Lloris not pushing it out for a corner against the smallest team in the league) they probably scumbag an undeserved 1-0 win there and it's a classic Mourinho performance. But his defenders just aren't anywhere near good enough.

He hasn't helped himself, playing Dier over Alderweirld and Sanchez. But essentially Spurs gambled on themselves having top class players who just needed some tactical arranging into shape. What you see is they had decent players, made to look top class for a time under Pochettino, and Mourinho's model only really works with excellent defenders. He plays a game of fine margins, and they are nowhere near.

The worry for them, is this is like the Mourinho golden period and it only gets worse from here. You factor in fairly acute financial troubles to come and there are a lot of alarm bells for me if I'm a Spurs fan. They should have been competing to win the league. City have stormed through but they'd got themselves into a great position, and you never know what happens with pressure. They've completely bottled it.
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Yeah - it really feels like they have missed the "glory year", which is the trade off for doing a deal with the devil in terms of Jose. Big problem is where do they turn, it feels like Kane will go, if he goes Son will be hard to hold onto etc & then they are no better than Southampton.

Re XG - I always go back to Emery's role at Arsenal when he didnt lose a game in 22 (i think) they were getting battered by XG every week and ultimately the data over took the run, Rashford a similar story a few years ago when everything he kicked went in. He was either Pele or a statistical anomoly
 

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