2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[Gilbert..]

So people are supposed to be mute after a poor poor performance?
Carlo is a great manager perhaps the best we've ever had ( certainly in term of his record with other clubs ) but that doesnt make him immune from reasonable comment.

Tbh i think the point is you generally see the same names crop up after a loss and disapear after a win. Its also the frenzy of posting style which is very noticable.
Its a rather perverse way to follow a club. Only getting any passion after a defeat.
Its an ancelotti thread. So you just tend to remember usernames who are only here after a loss.
Its not the end of the world. But i dont see any problem reminding them they vanish after a good win.

 

[BlueStevie35]

"Hes whole argument rests on a this high line he imagines Carlo wants to play"

1: Cant play anything but deep. Thats not a "high line" thats being good in a deep defence and nothing else.

2: Keane is at peak value and isnt a top player. Hes also 28 and whilst hes not going to lose pace (never had any) his value will decrease as he gets older and keeping him means keeping him for 4 more seasons.

3: We have 5 defenders. You should always sell to improve the team with higher potential younger players.

4: Mina has 2 years left and ive also said its either him (who i like) or Keane to be sold this summer.

5: Upgrading players is a sign of ambition. Wanting to have the best team with the best players is called ambition. Is he going to be wanted by City, Bayern, Atletico ? No...we want players who are good enough for the top sides.


"Go and look at his Milan team, his Madrid team, his Bayern team, his Napoli team, his Everton team, not 1 of them played a high line."

Dont make me laugh, youve not watched any of those sides regularly, nor PSG, Parma, Juventus...perhaps Chelsea for a short period on MOTD lol

None of those teams were as deep as Ancelotti has set this team up.


This is probably the 1000th time ive typed all this out so perhaps remember it.

You do realise Italian and Spanish football has been on TV over here for over 3 decades now right? And German for at least 2 not to mention every Champions League game has been shown live for the last 15 years

 

[Zatara]

You do realise Italian and Spanish football has been on TV over here for over 3 decades now right? And German for at least 2 not to mention every Champions League game has been shown live for the last 15 years

Im well aware that games in multiple leagues have been available to watch for many years...

 

[Goat]

You do realise Italian and Spanish football has been on TV over here for over 3 decades now right? And German for at least 2 not to mention every Champions League game has been shown live for the last 15 years

Imagine accusing somebody of not watching Carlo's Milan side.

I KANT SPEK

 

[Saint Domingo]

I heard someone say the other day that Mourinho struggles to get things back on track when his teams are having a poor run, that got me thinking, that was the same for Martinez,Koeman and Silva things started to go wrong and it just seemed to get worse and worse they had no idea how to fix it, that’s where Ancelotti is different there’s been a couple of tricky times since he has been here but he has changed slight thinks and things got better, Moyes was god at that to. That’s why I believe Ancelotti is a cut above most of the rest. Even Klopp hasn’t an answer atm. We are blessed to have Carlos here.

That’s what Carlo’s Milan team showed. They weren’t always great, sometimes they were inconsistent in the league, but they had success over a long period because when they had problems he found solutions, and when those solutions stopped working he reinvented and found some more. There’s been a lot of criticism of his changes in formation and starting lineups this season but I don’t know many other clubs who can play anything but their favoured one formation which they play every week. Carlo is only getting started with us and we already have about 3 that the players have used this season.

I think he has parallels with Alex Ferguson and Zidane out the modern crop in terms of managers who are pragmatists rather than idealists and find solutions to problems. In the long term they always have more success. He seems to also have Fergie’s trait of making bang average players look very good.

 

[Goat]

That’s what Carlo’s Milan team showed. They weren’t always great, sometimes they were inconsistent in the league, but they had success over a long period because when they had problems he found solutions, and when those solutions stopped working he reinvented and found some more. There’s been a lot of criticism of his changes in formation and starting lineups this season but I don’t know many other clubs who can play anything but their favoured one formation which they play every week. Carlo is only getting started with us and we already have about 3 that the players have used this season.

I think he has parallels with Alex Ferguson and Zidane out the modern crop in terms of managers who are pragmatists rather than idealists and find solutions to problems. In the long term they always have more success. He seems to also have Fergie’s trait of making bang average players look very good.

He identified Liverpools biggest threats and just took them out of the whole game.

The mans an utter genius.

 

[jazzy]

He identified Liverpools biggest threats and just took them out of the whole game.

The mans an utter genius.

I think most people are able to see that the RS use their full backs as their main creative outlet but devising a plan to stop them and getting our lot to follow it takes some doing.

 

[catcherintherye]

Completely forgot about last season’s. The width of the post from winning that as well.

We've been unlucky. I know it sounds like excuses but we've been within 1 goal of winning/drawin a lot of games. You think back to the 90's when we had that great run, but the same was probably true then too. It's rare for derbies to be won by more than 1 goal, especially when either side keeps 10 on the pitch.

I mean looking back on it, that was probably the most convincing away win in a derby in 10 years +.

You look at last year, and also that Allardyce one where we miss 3 big chances at the back end. Hopefully our luck is turning a bit.

 

[catcherintherye]

That’s what Carlo’s Milan team showed. They weren’t always great, sometimes they were inconsistent in the league, but they had success over a long period because when they had problems he found solutions, and when those solutions stopped working he reinvented and found some more. There’s been a lot of criticism of his changes in formation and starting lineups this season but I don’t know many other clubs who can play anything but their favoured one formation which they play every week. Carlo is only getting started with us and we already have about 3 that the players have used this season.

I think he has parallels with Alex Ferguson and Zidane out the modern crop in terms of managers who are pragmatists rather than idealists and find solutions to problems. In the long term they always have more success. He seems to also have Fergie’s trait of making bang average players look very good.

I think I've said all season, we will go on good runs, and on bad runs, and neither will make an awful lot of sense when they arrive.

What worried me with the derby is we were really in the midst of a bad run. The size and manner of that win though, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we go and win 3 or 4 in a row now. Hopefully this winning/good run can go on for 8-10 games. Then teams will work us out again, an we will have to find another solution. What you have to hope is
1) The good runs get longer
2) The poor runs get shorter
3) The poor runs are not as damaging (which the 2nd one this season wasn't).

It will be frustrating, but you compare it to more of an idealist like Klopp (or like we had with Silva/Martinez) and he has no idea what to do now plan A doesn't work. It's the same shape, same players, same approach every week and it keeps not working. It's the 6th home game without a win, and only 2 goals (1 a dubious pen, 1 from 6 games ago) in said run. It will be the same front 3, same full backs, same midfield with Thiago playing, same rough shape (4 at the back etc) when their next game is due as well.

It's why I've said for a while, they won't be resolving this problem any time soon. It's not a dig at Klopp, but he's not a pragmatist who will easily change path. The problem is, he's trying to play heavy metal football with a front 3 who will all be 29 this summer and look shot, a weak midfield and centre backs who can't turn in behind. There's little height or strength to the team. So sides sit deep, let them cross it into their small players and just play the %ages.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We've been unlucky. I know it sounds like excuses but we've been within 1 goal of winning/drawin a lot of games. You think back to the 90's when we had that great run, but the same was probably true then too. It's rare for derbies to be won by more than 1 goal, especially when either side keeps 10 on the pitch.

I mean looking back on it, that was probably the most convincing away win in a derby in 10 years +.

You look at last year, and also that Allardyce one where we miss 3 big chances at the back end. Hopefully our luck is turning a bit.

I was shocked to see that apart from the Mane last minute winner against Koeman’s team (which was the result of McCarthy going off injured and a Sturridge shinner bouncing unfortunately off the post before he was promptly banned for gambling), they haven’t won at Goodison since 2011 (the Rodwell red). They’d be looking at their own ten year stretch of no away wind if it hadn’t have been for the width of the post being in their favour that night (in a game that had 0-0 written all over it). As you said we arguably should have won a fair few of those Goodison ones also (Martinez 3-3, Allardyce Tosun DCL miss, Davies onto the post).

A lot has been made about our poor derby record but apart from a select few Anfield hammering against very poor Everton teams, Liverpool’s record is also very poor in terms of the number of games they don’t win. Compared to other mid table teams who they beat at home every single season and most of the times away too we’ve been a thorn in their side.

 

[Carlito]

That’s what Carlo’s Milan team showed. They weren’t always great, sometimes they were inconsistent in the league, but they had success over a long period because when they had problems he found solutions, and when those solutions stopped working he reinvented and found some more. There’s been a lot of criticism of his changes in formation and starting lineups this season but I don’t know many other clubs who can play anything but their favoured one formation which they play every week. Carlo is only getting started with us and we already have about 3 that the players have used this season.

I think he has parallels with Alex Ferguson and Zidane out the modern crop in terms of managers who are pragmatists rather than idealists and find solutions to problems. In the long term they always have more success. He seems to also have Fergie’s trait of making bang average players look very good.

He's definitely a manager for the big occasions, so hopefully the club will be able to provide the players to match.

As you say, he's not really the type to impose a particular style of football, but he knows how to build around moments of match-winning quality.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

You're a strange cat you mate...

Are you calling me a p*ssy?!?

 

[JLW]

Just watched a tactical analysis on Bein sport of the derby win and it was brilliant from Ancelotti!
Coleman man for man on Robertson
Holgate man for on Mane
Robertson goes centre of the pitch in the second half Coleman follows him and there’s Dacoure sitting in Coleman’s position.
The shape was brilliant throughout the game
Every single time time they got us out of shape we purposely done a professional foul, mainly Gomes and Davies, them daft fouls by Gomes were all part of a master plan.

 

[Toffeelover]

I think I've said all season, we will go on good runs, and on bad runs, and neither will make an awful lot of sense when they arrive.

What worried me with the derby is we were really in the midst of a bad run. The size and manner of that win though, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we go and win 3 or 4 in a row now. Hopefully this winning/good run can go on for 8-10 games. Then teams will work us out again, an we will have to find another solution. What you have to hope is
1) The good runs get longer
2) The poor runs get shorter
3) The poor runs are not as damaging (which the 2nd one this season wasn't).

It will be frustrating, but you compare it to more of an idealist like Klopp (or like we had with Silva/Martinez) and he has no idea what to do now plan A doesn't work. It's the same shape, same players, same approach every week and it keeps not working. It's the 6th home game without a win, and only 2 goals (1 a dubious pen, 1 from 6 games ago) in said run. It will be the same front 3, same full backs, same midfield with Thiago playing, same rough shape (4 at the back etc) when their next game is due as well.

It's why I've said for a while, they won't be resolving this problem any time soon. It's not a dig at Klopp, but he's not a pragmatist who will easily change path. The problem is, he's trying to play heavy metal football with a front 3 who will all be 29 this summer and look shot, a weak midfield and centre backs who can't turn in behind. There's little height or strength to the team. So sides sit deep, let them cross it into their small players and just play the %ages.

We cornered the market on this position.

 

[Brisan123]

I CBA looking but the vaults from 13/2-20/2 would be very unkind to certain posters and the esteem in which they hold the DON