Transfer Rumour Joshua Zirkzee

[Paulie]

Don't think he'll make the grade (currently) for me.

Big and Physical, but haven't seen too much else to suggest he could be an established PL player. Always saw flashes in DCL, whether than was with your Burnley's or whatever, but Simms may be a step too much at this moment in time.

Looks like the club may agree with you.

 

[alwaysblue]

True but will we put faith in a 20yr old, I'm not sure we would. This is the type of signing I like but if we aren't going to develop them properly then there's no point, see Moise Kean

I suppose it depends on the player and their willingness to learn. We're not privy to the inner workings of Finch Farm, but if internet rumours (are there any other types nowadays) are to be believed Kean's application wasn't the best, although a big move at such a young age in a very strange time. What has been shown is that if you do apply yourself and take on board what the staff require them you'll get in - see DCL!
No idea what Zirkzee is like professionally, I only remember him having a trial for us when he was 16. Who knows he could be another DCL or another Kean, unfortunately there is only one way to find out and that is where the gamble is.

 

[Terrarian]

Nope.

The club stuck with Calvert-Lewin. The player himself revealed how Brands wouldn't sign another striker so he was particularly keen to reward that show of faith.

Even when Moise Kean come in, Calvert-Lewin was the preferred choice.

Yes but he got chances that he wouldn't have been afforded normally, It's a good thing because it shows patience can be rewarded but Dominic got lucky, nobody could envisage such a huge leap in performance but he deserved it he worked his socks off but he was a luck boy.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Yeah, guess it is a bit like the Kean situation. Just seems like he’s gone from being their bright shining light to sellable in a short space of time but I haven’t followed his situation or Bayern particularly closely. Now that DCL is so established and rarely seems to get injured can see why a young prospect who won’t be demanding to start every game makes sense as back up option. As various have said, sure beats Tosun!

Amen to that brother.

 

[Lanolin]

Yes but he got chances that he wouldn't have been afforded normally, It's a good thing because it shows patience can be rewarded but Dominic got lucky, nobody could envisage such a huge leap in performance but he deserved it he worked his socks off but he was a luck boy.

Or maybe the club did envisage it, and that's why they showed the faith?

 

[Terrarian]

Or maybe the club did envisage it, and that's why they showed the faith?

It is possible I mean a few fans still believed he could come good but at the time his goal return was very poor and a lot wanted him gone. All I am saying is the lack of alternative proved to be Dominics friend and he took his chance with both hands but it was a gamble that paid off whatever way you look at it.

I'd love to know how you can envisage a striker suddenly clicking, i mean we were all hoping for it and it came but it wasn't a smooth ride and under normal circumstances he very well may have been benched never to be seen again.

Like I say it's a good news story and one I have been delighted watching come to fruition but it was a bumpy road and I will not be persuaded otherwise that he was lucky to be stuck with.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yes but he got chances that he wouldn't have been afforded normally, It's a good thing because it shows patience can be rewarded but Dominic got lucky, nobody could envisage such a huge leap in performance but he deserved it he worked his socks off but he was a luck boy.

Erm, the club ensured he had plenty of chances?

That's not luck.

Report: Marcel Brands fought hard for faith to be placed in Everton striker Dominic Calvert-Lewin

According to The Athletic's David Ornstein, Everton director of football Marcel Brands fought a fierce battle to keep Dominic Calvert-Lewin at Goodison

sportslens.com

Sometimes, you can give credit...

 

[Terrarian]

Erm, the club ensured he had plenty of chances?

That's not luck.

Report: Marcel Brands fought hard for faith to be placed in Everton striker Dominic Calvert-Lewin

According to The Athletic's David Ornstein, Everton director of football Marcel Brands fought a fierce battle to keep Dominic Calvert-Lewin at Goodison

sportslens.com

Sometimes, you can give credit...

I love DCL and have supported him right through, I give huge credit to the boy he still had to put the work in, that's not what I am saying at all. I am saying he was given an extensive run as our forward when he was finding goals hard to come by that under normal circumstances would have seen him benched.

Again, it is showing how faith can pay off but very rarely are 21 year old forwards allowed to hone their game as the main man whilst not scoring goals. he was lucky and it paid off.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I love DCL and have supported him right through, I give huge credit to the boy he still had to put the work in, that's not what I am saying at all. I am saying he was given an extensive run as our forward when he was finding goals hard to come by that under normal circumstances would have seen him benched.

Again, it is showing how faith can pay off but very rarely are 21 year old forwards allowed to hone their game as the main man whilst not scoring goals. he was lucky and it paid off.

Weird view mate.

Your crying Zirkzee shouldn't come because Everton didn't get the best out of Moise Kean but then refuse point blank to allow any credit for the clubs development in Calvert-Lewin. Your saying it's luck because nobody could have anticipated his development?

Luck?

No mate, they saw something in Calvert-Lewin and ensured he had sufficient opportunity. The club didn't buy to give him that opportunity your saying was "luck".

December 2018

Marcel Brands: “I think we are a very, very lucky club in England that we have three players with great potential who are just 21-years-old – we have Dominic, we have Richarlison and we have Ademola.

“And if I bring in a new player, a huge striker or a name, should I destroy one of them?

“It is also my goal to protect those boys. Everyone agrees with me that they have great potential and a great future.

"Dominic has shown already that he can score in the Premier League and I don't want to destroy those big talents.

“Ok, they need some time and we have to give them time and confidence for the future to show that potential and, for me, it will hurt me if we destroyed those talents because everyone is jealous of those type of talents.”

August 2019;

Calvert Lewin:

“It's massive belief the club have put in me and it (Brands' comment) was a massive confidence boost and he way I take that is that I want to prove them right and repay them with good performances and goals,” he said.

“That's another reason why I work hard everyday because it's a massive amount of trust they have put in me and I want to repay that.”

 

[Terrarian]

Weird view mate.

Your crying Zirkzee shouldn't come because Everton didn't get the best out of Moise Kean but then refuse point blank to allow any credit for the clubs development in Calvert-Lewin. Your saying it's luck because nobody could have anticipated his development?

Luck?

No mate, they saw something in Calvert-Lewin and ensured he had sufficient opportunity. The club didn't buy to give him that opportunity your saying was "luck".

December 2018

Marcel Brands: “I think we are a very, very lucky club in England that we have three players with great potential who are just 21-years-old – we have Dominic, we have Richarlison and we have Ademola.

“And if I bring in a new player, a huge striker or a name, should I destroy one of them?

“It is also my goal to protect those boys. Everyone agrees with me that they have great potential and a great future.

"Dominic has shown already that he can score in the Premier League and I don't want to destroy those big talents.

“Ok, they need some time and we have to give them time and confidence for the future to show that potential and, for me, it will hurt me if we destroyed those talents because everyone is jealous of those type of talents.”

August 2019;

Calvert Lewin:

“It's massive belief the club have put in me and it (Brands' comment) was a massive confidence boost and he way I take that is that I want to prove them right and repay them with good performances and goals,” he said.

“That's another reason why I work hard everyday because it's a massive amount of

It's not weird at all and you seemingly aren't comprehending my point at all. I have given massive credit to DC L for the last 3 seasons, I have supported him when the majority wanted bambi on ice gone. All I am saying is he was fortunate to get a extended run in the side when he wasn't producing. How on earth is that a weird view?

 

[blulouie]

Weird view mate.

Your crying Zirkzee shouldn't come because Everton didn't get the best out of Moise Kean but then refuse point blank to allow any credit for the clubs development in Calvert-Lewin. Your saying it's luck because nobody could have anticipated his development?

Luck?

No mate, they saw something in Calvert-Lewin and ensured he had sufficient opportunity. The club didn't buy to give him that opportunity your saying was "luck".

December 2018

Marcel Brands: “I think we are a very, very lucky club in England that we have three players with great potential who are just 21-years-old – we have Dominic, we have Richarlison and we have Ademola.

“And if I bring in a new player, a huge striker or a name, should I destroy one of them?

“It is also my goal to protect those boys. Everyone agrees with me that they have great potential and a great future.

"Dominic has shown already that he can score in the Premier League and I don't want to destroy those big talents.

“Ok, they need some time and we have to give them time and confidence for the future to show that potential and, for me, it will hurt me if we destroyed those talents because everyone is jealous of those type of talents.”

August 2019;

Calvert Lewin:

“It's massive belief the club have put in me and it (Brands' comment) was a massive confidence boost and he way I take that is that I want to prove them right and repay them with good performances and goals,” he said.

“That's another reason why I work hard everyday because it's a massive amount of trust they have put in me and I want to repay that.”

Think Big Dunc deserves a bit of credit as he showed faith in Dom from the off.

Must admit I couldnt see it in his early days but fair play the club saw the potential and nurtured him.
I wouldnt call it luck but a very good judgement call.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It's not weird at all and you seemingly aren't comprehending my point at all. I have given massive credit to DC L for the last 3 seasons, I have supported him when the majority wanted bambi on ice gone. All I am saying is he was fortunate to get a extended run in the side when he wasn't producing. How on earth is that a weird view?

Ok, mate.

Let's go back.

If he has seen what happened with Kean and Vlasic he won't touch with a crappy stick if I were him

Or if he sees what happened with DCL where if you get your head down and work hard Carlo will get the best out of you.

But DCL got lucky that he could play games as we had nobody else worth a place, that isn't the case here, he has to sit on the bench until DCL gets injured or completely loses form. The chances DC L got don't usually pan out, the we want success now brigade don't allow for young players to develop and so it makes no sense as we won't play him exactly the same as Kean.

If you're so quick to slag the clubs handling of Kean and Vlasic, it's a bit It's disingenuous to then attribute Calvert-Lewins development as "luck"

Calvert-Lewin didn't get lucky.

He never "got a game because we didn't have anyone else".

Everton's Director of Football is on record - as I've demonstrated - saying we're not signing someone else because Calvert-Lewin has the potential.

You also sneer at fans as "the we want success now brigade don't allow for young players to develop", but you're doing the exact same thing here. Sneering at Zirkzee and writing him off already;

Not caught up with the thread yet but is tha the lad who trialled here when he was 15? Signing him just worries me we'll have another Kean situation.

 

[micknick]

It's not weird at all and you seemingly aren't comprehending my point at all. I have given massive credit to DC L for the last 3 seasons, I have supported him when the majority wanted bambi on ice gone. All I am saying is he was fortunate to get a extended run in the side when he wasn't producing. How on earth is that a weird view?

Why do you hate DCL so much?

 

[micknick]

Ok, mate.

Let's go back.





If you're so quick to slag the clubs handling of Kean and Vlasic, it's a bit It's disingenuous to then attribute Calvert-Lewins development as "luck"

Calvert-Lewin didn't get lucky.

He never "got a game because we didn't have anyone else".

Everton's Director of Football is on record - as I've demonstrated - saying we're not signing someone else because Calvert-Lewin has the potential.

You also sneer at fans as "the we want success now brigade don't allow for young players to develop", but you're doing the exact same thing here. Sneering at Zirkzee and writing him off already;

Oh god you've got him multi quoting. Theres no coming back from this.

 

[BarryThompson1]

So hes not coming then . https://princerupertstower.com/2021...w-everton-bayern-munich-joshua-zirkzee-chase/