Usmanov

[catcherintherye]

Our owners will put more of there own personal money in Everton this summer than Abramovich will put into his club.

Chelsea, by signing Werner, have still not used up all of the £65 million profit they have made this year.

Thats fair, but also Chelsea are much further along their project than we are and can use liquidity to sign top players. They can also attract top talent. I'd have love us to have swooped for Werner but there's no way he comes here. If they close on Werner, Havertz, Sancho and Chillwell I would make them favourites next year though.

The other issue is FFP. Chelsea owe over 1bn to their owner. It's mad that private debt or debt full stop isn't factored in. The best case for us is that there is an amnesty for FFP, or it gets brought down. I would imagine we are waiting to see what happens with that.

As a final aside you also have to note that Brands does his business late. Prices are holding fairly well early on this window (as I expected).The longer the window goes on, the more prices will tumble and I think that Brands is more than happy waiting for that to occur. A similar process has occurred most summers too. The top teams go first, then the next run, then everyone else. That process probably happens again, but on fast forward now in terms of collapsing prices. There will probably be lots of players who wanted a top 6 move who won't get it and will have to look again.

Our place in that pecking order is later on in the window too. The only time we did our business early was 2017 and we made a monumental mess of it.

 

[catcherintherye]

The whole Usmanov thing will rumble on until the stadium gets completed.

I just find it easier to assume that Moshiri regards us as his own project, with a bit of help from Usmanov, but it goes no further than that.

Due to the connection between them, people will always assume Moshiri is a stalking horse for Usmanov, and that only increased after Usmanov disposed of his Arsenal shareholding.

What hasn't helped are the occasional comments from Usmanov, suggesting he is imminently ready to step in and take over, more or less.

If they were going to test FFP, you don't push thse boundaries by agreeing a £25m sponsorship deal with USM / Megafon. It would have to be much more explicit, and obvious than that.

I certainly can't see us breaking spending records anytime soon. If anything, with a PP decision expected and in the current environment, it will be a focus on targeted signings with the lure of Ancelotti a selling point.

It seems almost certain Usmanov is involved (and is openly spoken about in journalist reports, without any challenge from Everton now). My suspicion is USM made a decision and the view was Moshiri is to take a lead on it.

Usmanov is clearly willing to step in with sponsorships where possible, but I'm sure his aim would be to try to wean Everton off them. It looks like we have signed a deal with a business that is growing and ambitious, so lets see where we go with it.

Usmanov seems to be agreeing low key sponsorships that are under the radar and not an easy "market test" approach. That isn't the case with shirt sponsorships.

As for our signings, I don't think it's a coincidence that we have moved to looking at some older players who have little transfer outlay and from an FFP perspective don't cost anything. Loans and some free may bridge the gaps for the next year or 2 as we hope to develop the younger players in the squad.

 

[matty1878]

Here’s hoping all of that happens.

yearh hopefully mate

 

[TheSecondComing]

Chelsea are richer and a bigger club than Everton.

Yeah they are.

My question is not why aren’t we but why are we all trying to play financial detectives and connect dots just so we feel like we have hope?

 

[TheSecondComing]

wakes up to what? Moshiri is trying to make things happen for us, it takes time and they’res hiccups Aswell.

Usmanov is his mate and he’s done him a favour with USM sponsorship yes as any of you would do for your mate.

He’s said is Moshiri asks he will get involved but Moshiri wants to do this alone at the moment.

Usmanov is a pipe dream and it should be left there until he buys shares.

Our fans hanging onto any little hope they can even it’s 30 steps removed we are the worst for it.

We have to accept that our current shareholding setup is the way it’s going to be until the stadium is built.

 

[Yorkie89]

Usmanov is his mate and he’s done him a favour with USM sponsorship yes as any of you would do for your mate.

He’s said is Moshiri asks he will get involved but Moshiri wants to do this alone at the moment.

Usmanov is a pipe dream and it should be left there until he buys shares.

Our fans hanging onto any little hope they can even it’s 30 steps removed we are the worst for it.

We have to accept that our current shareholding setup is the way it’s going to be until the stadium is built.

Probably the most sense anyone has said on the matter. Once the stadium is built thats when I think he will throw money moshiri's way on a massive scale. This will be because we don't want to go through transfer windows like the spuds have since moving into their new stadium

 

[Tony_Barrett]

usmanov says hi

You're like a basic, even more dense version of Toffeejack mate, some achievement

 

[TheSecondComing]

We should be asking hard questions like why didn’t we bring in a top chief executive?

Why is Bill Kenwright still the Chairman what does he offer? He’s admitted he doesn’t know how to run a club.

Why is Keith Harris involved with the club?

Hard questions will bring answers a lot of fans won’t want to hear.

 

[blueblue]

Usmanov is his mate and he’s done him a favour with USM sponsorship yes as any of you would do for your mate.

He’s said is Moshiri asks he will get involved but Moshiri wants to do this alone at the moment.

Usmanov is a pipe dream and it should be left there until he buys shares.

Our fans hanging onto any little hope they can even it’s 30 steps removed we are the worst for it.

We have to accept that our current shareholding setup is the way it’s going to be until the stadium is built.

I don't think you can say that with any more confidence than those who say that Usmanov is already involved.

The real truth is that none of us have a clue.

Moshiri and Usmanov have a long history of working together on several projects and their business affairs are more than a little intertwined.
We know that Usmanov has already given support through sponsorship to Everton and we have no idea if he is happy to leave his support at that or to get further involved.
Moshiri and Usmanov together did try to take control at Arsenal and it certainly is not that far a stretch to believe they now want to do the same at Everton, even though there is absolutely nothing definite to support this.

I think that without the FFP rules we would certainly have a much clearer picture of what may happen as at present it would appear that Usmanov can be more effective working from the outside rather than as an owner.

My own belief it that I think Moshiri has committed so much money into the club because he has a safety net behind him in Usmanov ... but what form that safety net takes I have no idea.

 

[TheSecondComing]

I don't think you can say that with any more confidence than those who say that Usmanov is already involved.

The real truth is that none of us have a clue.

Moshiri and Usmanov have a long history of working together on several projects and their business affairs are more than a little intertwined.
We know that Usmanov has already given support through sponsorship to Everton and we have no idea if he is happy to leave his support at that or to get further involved.
Moshiri and Usmanov together did try to take control at Arsenal and it certainly is not that far a stretch to believe they now want to do the same at Everton, even though there is absolutely nothing definite to support this.

I think that without the FFP rules we would certainly have a much clearer picture of what may happen as at present it would appear that Usmanov can be more effective working from the outside rather than as an owner.

My own belief it that I think Moshiri has committed so much money into the club because he has a safety net behind him in Usmanov ... but what form that safety net takes I have no idea.

Well we should look at what we know for a fact and my post just above highlight some of glaring issues we have with personnel once we strive for better and not a job for the lads mentality this club might really change.

 

[matty1878]

You're like a basic, even more dense version of Toffeejack mate, some achievement

egnore button if you don’t like what I have to say.

 

[matty1878]

Usmanov is his mate and he’s done him a favour with USM sponsorship yes as any of you would do for your mate.

He’s said is Moshiri asks he will get involved but Moshiri wants to do this alone at the moment.

Usmanov is a pipe dream and it should be left there until he buys shares.

Our fans hanging onto any little hope they can even it’s 30 steps removed we are the worst for it.

We have to accept that our current shareholding setup is the way it’s going to be until the stadium is built.

hanging on to what a hope he does come aboard? Even if it’s all done under hand who cares aslong as it’s makes us successful

 

[Tony_Barrett]

egnore button if you don’t like what I have to say.

As I was saying....

 

[Dymak]

usmanov says hi

That's great, but we really need him to say more than "Hi" if he is to be of any use to us.

 

[TheSecondComing]

hanging on to what a hope he does come aboard? Even if it’s all done under hand who cares aslong as it’s makes us successful

It’s not all being done under hand though mate is it?

That’s my point it’s clear as day we signed a deal with USM that’s it. Not under the table.

If we had gone with NEC for example as a sponsor we could argue that Usmanov is afoot but we signed a sponsorship deal with a second hand car company.

Wake up and stop holding onto the notion Usmanov is funnelling money in he’s not.

It’s distracting us from the real issues.