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PhilM said:
For a living, I have to distinguish between my own private opinions and the requirement for the law, which as I mentioned is fairly rigid and equally applicable to all.

When I talk about Hitler, I know that he’d be found guilty and yes I personally believe that he is; nevertheless, in reality he isn’t because the law has to be equal.

I am quite adamant about that part for the simple reason that if we diverge due to opinions etc. then it can quite easily lead to a very dangerous situation.

We can't have people wilfully (like the press or the public) choosing to give people extra leeway because of their race, gender, age, sexuality etc etc.

I genuinely feel sorry for the woman as nobody should feel so unhappy that they should feel that suicide is the best options, and part of that is the fault of the press.

However, I do not think it's right to confuse the above with the fact that she was facing criminal charges in the near future: one should not negate the other.

Personally, I may have contradicting thoughts on it all for a number of reasons, still publically she should be treated the same as everyone else.
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Yes she should be treated the same so that I'll be innocent then.
 

The more details coming out about the death of Caroline Flack the more you have got to ask why the fuzz/CPS were pursuing a trial against her.

Her Boyfriend was assaulted, but it was him who called the cops not because of the assault, but because she had started to self harming and had several deep wounds she had inflicted on herself, she was in hospital for 12 hours after the incident having her wounds attended to.

Clearly in a fragile mental state, Boyfriend clearly aware of this and not wanting to press any charges, got to say the CPS and Police have some questions to answer here.
 
I've never watched a single thing that Flack did on tv and don't imagine I've missed anything. In fact I'm sure I will have benefited from that.

The problem when some media person tops themself is that all the other media types see it as an opportunity to get on the media more by giving tributes about how wonderful someone who had the ability to look into a camera and speak was. Cos that's all that they all do.

See also the recent Schofield statement of the obvious.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
The more details coming out about the death of Caroline Flack the more you have got to ask why the fuzz/CPS were pursuing a trial against her.

Her Boyfriend was assaulted, but it was him who called the cops not because of the assault, but because she had started to self harming and had several deep wounds she had inflicted on herself, she was in hospital for 12 hours after the incident having her wounds attended to.

Clearly in a fragile mental state, Boyfriend clearly aware of this and not wanting to press any charges, got to say the CPS and Police have some questions to answer here.
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Why have the CPS and Police got questions to answer? They did their job.
She was responsible for a serious domestic assault. And not for the first time hence why her other fella left her.

It doesn’t matter if she is famous or not, CPS run with a lot of domestic cases where the victim does not want to pursue the matter.
There are plenty of victims of domestic abuse who are terrified to come forward due to the abuse they are suffering. CPS and Police have a duty to protect them if they are unable to protect themselves.

If she was worried about what body cam footage showed and how it portrayed her she could have pleaded guilty and that would have been the end of it.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
The more details coming out about the death of Caroline Flack the more you have got to ask why the fuzz/CPS were pursuing a trial against her.

Her Boyfriend was assaulted, but it was him who called the cops not because of the assault, but because she had started to self harming and had several deep wounds she had inflicted on herself, she was in hospital for 12 hours after the incident having her wounds attended to.

Clearly in a fragile mental state, Boyfriend clearly aware of this and not wanting to press any charges, got to say the CPS and Police have some questions to answer here.
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Like I've mentioned previously, she was believed to have committed a crime (a relatively serious one at that), so it was the duty of the police and CPS to proceed.

Replace a sec.39 assault with say armed robbery, with the use of a firearm: if the victim didn't want to press charges, would you expect the police to walk away?

With regards to Flack, the police and CPS felt there was a public interest to press charges, so mitigating circumstances would be addressed during sentencing.

A fragile mental state is not a free pass from justice.
 

Del-boy said:
Why have the CPS and Police got questions to answer? They did their job.
She was responsible for a serious domestic assault. And not for the first time hence why her other fella left her.

It doesn’t matter if she is famous or not, CPS run with a lot of domestic cases where the victim does not want to pursue the matter.
There are plenty of victims of domestic abuse who are terrified to come forward due to the abuse they are suffering. CPS and Police have a duty to protect them if they are unable to protect themselves.

If she was worried about what body cam footage showed and how it portrayed her she could have pleaded guilty and that would have been the end of it.
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The CPS did not want to pursue it, they were not going to charge her, senior coppers insisted the look at it again using domestic abuse laws that are designed to protect vulnerable victims who my be scared to prosecute allowing coppers to take it on out of the victims hands.

The boyfriend told them this was a one off incident, he was not a long suffering abuse victim, the more I've read about this I've changed my mind on it, she was obviously suffering from mental health issues and for me the coppers have got it wrong on this one, she's certainly dead because they went in two footed looking to nail her.
 
PhilM said:
Like I've mentioned previously, she was believed to have committed a crime (a relatively serious one at that), so it was the duty of the police and CPS to proceed.

Replace a sec.39 assault with say armed robbery, with the use of a firearm: if the victim didn't want to press charges, would you expect the police to walk away?

With regards to Flack, the police and CPS felt there was a public interest to press charges, so mitigating circumstances would be addressed during sentencing.

A fragile mental state is not a free pass from justice.
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"Sources close to her legal team say that after Caroline was arrested, lawyers for the CPS had initially decided not to charge her.

It is understood senior police officers pressed for a charging decision.

In the end, the CPS used guidelines designed to protect long-term sufferers of domestic abuse to charge her — despite Lewis supporting Caroline and not wanting her to be prosecuted.

A legal source said: “The CPS were relying on legislation that protects people suffering long-term domestic abuse. Those laws are there to help the authorities prosecute without having the victim onside or needed to give evidence.

Laws designed to help victims who are too afraid to take on their abusers and too terrified to speak in court. But this was a completely different kind of case.

“Lewis wasn’t a frightened victim. He wanted to defend Caroline. He said the CPS version of what happened that night was wrong.

“This was a one-off incident where a minor injury was caused under disputed facts.

“The CPS knew they were dealing with an emotionally distressed woman who had caused herself significant harm during the incident.”

Dr Charlotte Proudman, a human rights barrister, said: “This smacks of a show trial."

“It feels like it was nothing more than an attempt by the CPS to show how rigorously it pursues domestic abuse cases, especially one involving a male complainant.”

Dr Proudman who specialises in cases involving violence against women and girls, added: “I’m baffled as to why the CPS were so determined to continue with this case.

"There were clear mental health issues at the heart of this case and her vulnerability, both at the time of the incident and afterwards were well known."

As I've said the more I read, the more I change my mind about whether she really needed to be prosecuted...
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
The CPS did not want to pursue it, they were not going to charge her, senior coppers insisted the look at it again using domestic abuse laws that are designed to protect vulnerable victims who my be scared to prosecute allowing coppers to take it on out of the victims hands.

The boyfriend told them this was a one off incident, he was not a long suffering abuse victim, the more I've read about this I've changed my mind on it, she was obviously suffering from mental health issues and for me the coppers have got it wrong on this one, she's certainly dead because they went in two footed looking to nail her.
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All I will say is that going on what you said and your opinion.

Would you see it different if she was a man being accused of such a serious assault against a woman?
 

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