The Dead Thread

[Deleted member 38674]

Ha sure he was found innocent but I think we all know he was involved in some way.

Do we, mate? What do you know, like?

 

[Dymak]

Mate you can't compare a case where someone was hit with a lamp and to one where someone was raped and found dead in a swimming pool.

You can compare.

One involved someone smashing a lamp over someone's head whilst they were asleep, resulting in a "blood bath" that led to a criminal prosecution. The other involves a death in mysterious circumstances that has resulted in allegations of rape and murder without a criminal prosecution taking place.

The idea that the press should ignore either incident in case it makes the alleged perpetrators feel bad is ridiculous.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Do we, mate? What do you know, like?

They where all high on bugle,at his house,having a party,after being invited back by him,and some how someone ends up dead in his gaff? Listen he has been proved innocent,I except that but my personal feelings are he was somehow involved.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

my personal feelings are he was somehow involved.

Based on what?

That he held a party at his house where drugs were taken?

 

[Charro]

Barrymore was also found innocent.

Flack not so.

She didn’t even have her day in court.

Social media played judge and jury before the actual justice system.

This is where we need to stop being so judgemental as a society.

Who knows what was going on in her life at the time of the incident. Severe depression, bipolar too make people do things completely out of character.

There was no time for that though. We all jumped on the bandwagon, demanded she lost her job and were more than happy to see her gone by the way side.

 

[larbert toffee]

Very sad to hear about someone taking their own life. No matter the circumstances , the impact and the emotion it creates is far bigger than a simple thing.

She always struck me as someone solely focused on fame and probably made some bad choices along the way. Sleeping with Harry styles for example, probably to get her name on the papers as sad as it is to say.

The media played a part in this and you would hope her death starts a chain reaction but we know it won't. Her story creates a whole host of other debates that I'm sure will be getting debated accross the internet tonight.

I guess from my viewpoint, she is another casualty of that 15 minutes of fame tagline. She seemed so desperate to make it that she would do anything but when the price was there to be paid she struggled.

This, very much so, really sad to hear of a young woman taking her own life, there seems to be a high price to pay for those in the spotlight on social media it's created a position where we have people famous for being famous and as quick as the media, social or otherwise build you up, the flip of the coin is sad incidents like this which sadly seem on the increase, it's like they've created an unstoppable train and those that climb aboard must choose carefully where it's going to take them.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Taking nothing away from the tragedy of Caroline Flack I would be willing to wager if it was a male celebrity who had died while accused of domestic violence there would be a lot more "good riddance" sentiment instead of media blaming going on.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

She didn’t even have her day in court.

Social media played judge and jury before the actual justice system.

This is where we need to stop being so judgemental as a society.

Who knows what was going on in her life at the time of the incident. Severe depression, bipolar too make people do things completely out of character.

I’m sorry mate but severe depression, bipolar or not (and there’s no evidence she had either of those) they are still NO excuse, no excuse whatsoever, for the violent, bloody attack on a sleeping partner.

And those are the facts of the case. They are undisputed and she didn’t want her day in court, which probably contributed to this tragic situation.

Let’s assume she had depression, that doesn’t in any way shape or form mean she is immune from punishment or isn’t subject to the legal system.

She broke the law, violently, and that has consequences. Particularly for a person who makes their living in the public eye. They were consequences she sadly couldn’t cope with.

 

[PhilM]

She didn’t even have her day in court.

True. Nor has she been convicted of a crime, so with regards to @Keiran's post it is suspected that she broke the law. However, it shouldn't negate the evidence.

We will never know exactly what the outcome would have been, but it's a with a tinge of irony when people are claiming she was 'innocent until proven guilty.'

Charges were made and she was expected to face the bench, although the reasons why she won't are all too clear. Discussing the possible outcomes isn't unfair.

 

[paultheblue]

I’m sorry mate but severe depression, bipolar or not (and there’s no evidence she had either of those) they are still NO excuse, no excuse whatsoever, for the violent, bloody attack on a sleeping partner.

And those are the facts of the case. They are undisputed and she didn’t want her day in court, which probably contributed to this tragic situation.

Let’s assume she had depression, that doesn’t in any way shape or form mean she is immune from punishment or isn’t subject to the legal system.

She broke the law, violently, and that has consequences. Particularly for a person who makes their living in the public eye. They were consequences she sadly couldn’t cope with.

In fairness to the girl it is cheaper than her fella having to buy an alarm clock

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Jeffrey Epstein died before his trial and nobody seems to mind talking about his alleged guilt.

 

[LostLegend]

Jeffrey Epstein died before his trial and nobody seems to mind talking about his alleged guilt.

He was an already convicted paedophile.

No idea if he was actually guilty on his more recent charges but there is no denying that he was an actual abusive, child trafficking paedophile, because he was convicted for it.

There’s a difference there.

 

[PhilM]

He was an already convicted paedophile.

No idea if he was actually guilty on his more recent charges but there is no denying that he was an actual abusive, child trafficking paedophile, because he was convicted for it.

There’s a difference there.

Yet, there are countless other individuals who people would at least suspect would be found guilty of a crime, but for similar reasons were unable to face justice.

Their guilt has been supposed or at least questioned, so it's not unfair to discuss it in this case. Stating she was guilty however, is wrong.

 

[LostLegend]

Yet, there are countless other individuals who people would at least suspect would be found guilty of a crime, but for similar reasons were unable to face justice.

Their guilt has been supposed or at least questioned, so it's not unfair to discuss it in this case. Stating she was guilty however, is wrong.

I agree totally.

Just saying Epstein comparison is a poor one.

 

[Charro]

I’m sorry mate but severe depression, bipolar or not (and there’s no evidence she had either of those) they are still NO excuse, no excuse whatsoever, for the violent, bloody attack on a sleeping partner.

And those are the facts of the case. They are undisputed and she didn’t want her day in court, which probably contributed to this tragic situation.

Let’s assume she had depression, that doesn’t in any way shape or form mean she is immune from punishment or isn’t subject to the legal system.

She broke the law, violently, and that has consequences. Particularly for a person who makes their living in the public eye. They were consequences she sadly couldn’t cope with.

That means she deserved to feel the way she did to end up taking her own life?

Nobody knows what was going on in her life.

Soon as she was arrested the press should stop reporting on it, social media should stop piling in and justice should run its course.

Instead everyone has to jump in, make a bad situation even worse and look at the end result.