enough is enough

[milks]

Are you serious that we should accept the posistion we are in. Would you be saying the same if we were in the championship. Alot of everton fans are missing the point with the anti board sentiment. For a start we have been waiting years for investment, being sought for us non stop apparently, by an evertonian just like us. Why then does he not keep the fans in the picture, surely he understands the fans worries and fears. Where was the plan B for a new stadium when kirkby fell through, there wasnt one. Instead we are to stay at goodison for the forseeable future. Now if a new stadium was the major tool for getting the investment then again surely he and the board should have had a plan b and a plan c. And no we dont just want anybody running the club, we want somebody who can atleast fund new transfers and be open and honest with the fans. We placed our trust in kenwright as a fellow supporter to do the right thing for the club, when its years down the line though and he cuts off all ties with the fans then we have every right to know what is going on.

There is nothing you, or any of us can do about this situation shy of turning up at Goodison with £250m to buy the board out.

To put things in perspective, I run a small business. Times are tough and it's very hand to mouth. It's a business however, and whilst I run it, I don't have personal capital to top the books up here and there. If the business needs something and I don't have the money for it, we simply make do without it until we have the money.

From my seat, this is where we are with the board. If they are looking for investment, it would need to be sufficient to pay back the investment the current board have made into the club over the past few years which is perfectly understandable in my opinion. I would much rather be in this state and surviving, than face being purchased by an entity with no interest in the club who are borrowing against the remaining few assets we have to fund the deal.

This is a scenario FAR more problematic than the cashflow issues Everton are presently experiencing. We will stay up, we will tread water until someone steps forward to buy the club. I would rather maintain the present status quo, no matter how dissatisfying it is than be sold down the river through a cycle of shoddy investment like a West Ham, Leeds, Portsmouth or even Liverpool.

 

[Melvin Udal]

Wheeler Dealing

Not sure if I should be saying this here, or on the Transfer thread (or not at all if someone's already said it somewhere else). I agree that I'd like to see more money put into the club, and the Board should sort themselves out to bring in some funds (I accept it's very difficult, but that's their job, after all). On the other hand, you could say that there's already a lot of money here, in terms of playing staff, that's being underutilised. For instance:

• £1.5m Gosling cobntract blunder.
• £1.0m Vaughan sale value - never gets a game currently.
• £4.0m Yak - never got a game recently - now on loan.
• £4.0 Yobo - reserve cb - now on loan.
• £3.0 Heitinga - Moyes seems to see him as a reserve cb. We should be able to get our £6m back and acquire a Wheater-like bench defender for £3m, leaving a net profit of £3m.
• £9.0m Bily - occasional 20 minute or less cameos.
• £10m Rodwell - while some people consider him 'the future', he doesn't get a game, and imay be going backwards in development due to inaction.

Now, I accept that there's a lot of shortcomings with what I've just said. It's far easier to realise player values in a computer game than in the real world, I've mixed and marched some estimated current values with purchase prices, and so on. It's still apparent, though, that (even ignoring the Gosling affair as water already under the bridge) that we've got around £30 million providing adding very little value results-wise. Even allowing for the need for a prudent number of reserves in case of injury, intensive wheeling & dealing could surely translate some of this unused value into a decent striker and a couple of up and coming wide players.

The moral of this, overall, is that although we all want more money, maybe we should be using better the money we've already got.

 

[deansharpy85]

There is nothing you, or any of us can do about this situation shy of turning up at Goodison with £250m to buy the board out.

To put things in perspective, I run a small business. Times are tough and it's very hand to mouth. It's a business however, and whilst I run it, I don't have personal capital to top the books up here and there. If the business needs something and I don't have the money for it, we simply make do without it until we have the money.

From my seat, this is where we are with the board. If they are looking for investment, it would need to be sufficient to pay back the investment the current board have made into the club over the past few years which is perfectly understandable in my opinion. I would much rather be in this state and surviving, than face being purchased by an entity with no interest in the club who are borrowing against the remaining few assets we have to fund the deal.

This is a scenario FAR more problematic than the cashflow issues Everton are presently experiencing. We will stay up, we will tread water until someone steps forward to buy the club. I would rather maintain the present status quo, no matter how dissatisfying it is than be sold down the river through a cycle of shoddy investment like a West Ham, Leeds, Portsmouth or even Liverpool.

So should he not then come out and reopen the fans forum to honestly explain whats going on, because silence speaks volumes.

 

[milks]

So should he not then come out and reopen the fans forum to honestly explain whats going on, because silence speaks volumes.

This I agree with. I would love to get a clear line from them as to their perceived value of the club, including the board's personal debt. However other than to satisfy the needs of me, you and everyone else who classes themselves as an Everton fan, they have absolutely no necessity to do so I'm afraid.

 

[deansharpy85]

Not sure if I should be saying this here, or on the Transfer thread (or not at all if someone's already said it somewhere else). I agree that I'd like to see more money put into the club, and the Board should sort themselves out to bring in some funds (I accept it's very difficult, but that's their job, after all). On the other hand, you could say that there's already a lot of money here, in terms of playing staff, that's being underutilised. For instance:

• £1.5m Gosling cobntract blunder.
• £1.0m Vaughan sale value - never gets a game currently.
• £4.0m Yak - never got a game recently - now on loan.
• £4.0 Yobo - reserve cb - now on loan.
• £3.0 Heitinga - Moyes seems to see him as a reserve cb. We should be able to get our £6m back and acquire a Wheater-like bench defender for £3m, leaving a net profit of £3m.
• £9.0m Bily - occasional 20 minute or less cameos.
• £10m Rodwell - while some people consider him 'the future', he doesn't get a game, and imay be going backwards in development due to inaction.

Now, I accept that there's a lot of shortcomings with what I've just said. It's far easier to realise player values in a computer game than in the real world, I've mixed and marched some estimated current values with purchase prices, and so on. It's still apparent, though, that (even ignoring the Gosling affair as water already under the bridge) that we've got around £30 million providing adding very little value results-wise. Even allowing for the need for a prudent number of reserves in case of injury, intensive wheeling & dealing could surely translate some of this unused value into a decent striker and a couple of up and coming wide players.

The moral of this, overall, is that although we all want more money, maybe we should be using better the money we've already got.

I agree with you in part, but the whole investment and stadium issue is more to do with the long term stability of the club, in the short term what you have listed with regards to the players listed is just a symptom of the financial mismanagement of the club. We can all see whats going to happen with rodwell he will be sold in the next year or two to try and stabalise the club. And the others mentioned ie yobo and the yak should be sold if they are not wanted not loaned out just to fund a loan signing coming in. We should be keeping our best players like pienarr, rodwell, baines by showing them we are an ambitious club but that isnt the case and clubs will test evertons weak resolve with bids for them like they did with pienarr.

 

[jamesc]

Not sure if I should be saying this here, or on the Transfer thread (or not at all if someone's already said it somewhere else). I agree that I'd like to see more money put into the club, and the Board should sort themselves out to bring in some funds (I accept it's very difficult, but that's their job, after all). On the other hand, you could say that there's already a lot of money here, in terms of playing staff, that's being underutilised. For instance:

• £1.5m Gosling cobntract blunder.
• £1.0m Vaughan sale value - never gets a game currently.
• £4.0m Yak - never got a game recently - now on loan.
• £4.0 Yobo - reserve cb - now on loan.
• £3.0 Heitinga - Moyes seems to see him as a reserve cb. We should be able to get our £6m back and acquire a Wheater-like bench defender for £3m, leaving a net profit of £3m.
• £9.0m Bily - occasional 20 minute or less cameos.
• £10m Rodwell - while some people consider him 'the future', he doesn't get a game, and imay be going backwards in development due to inaction.

Now, I accept that there's a lot of shortcomings with what I've just said. It's far easier to realise player values in a computer game than in the real world, I've mixed and marched some estimated current values with purchase prices, and so on. It's still apparent, though, that (even ignoring the Gosling affair as water already under the bridge) that we've got around £30 million providing adding very little value results-wise. Even allowing for the need for a prudent number of reserves in case of injury, intensive wheeling & dealing could surely translate some of this unused value into a decent striker and a couple of up and coming wide players.

The moral of this, overall, is that although we all want more money, maybe we should be using better the money we've already got.

Dont think we need to sell any other players.. We've bearly got a squad as it is but TOTALLY agree with us having wasted money which could have been spent better..

Where's Gueye and that other player we signed in the summer? How much where they? They hardly make the bench

 

[Melvin Udal]

I accept that, in the long/medium term, some serious additional investment is needed - no doubt about it. I'm just concerned that, for the short term, we're sitting on money in the form of players we hardly use, when we could turn that into players who actually get on the pitch and can get us substantially higher up the league.

 

[Melvin Udal]

Dont think we need to sell any other players.. We've bearly got a squad as it is

I DO agree that we need a decent squad. Often, though, the players on the bench are just sent on towards the end of a game to run around a lot and be a nuisance (Vaughan in the Derby, Bily usually, tho' he did make a difference on Saturday), and often don't get on at all (Yak laterly, Heitinga before Jags was injured, Gueye always). If we can replace these guys will less expensive reserves or enthusiastic runners from among the youngsters, we could use the money to fill a couple of key positions with good players who can really make the difference between drawing and winning.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Not sure if I should be saying this here, or on the Transfer thread (or not at all if someone's already said it somewhere else). I agree that I'd like to see more money put into the club, and the Board should sort themselves out to bring in some funds (I accept it's very difficult, but that's their job, after all). On the other hand, you could say that there's already a lot of money here, in terms of playing staff, that's being underutilised. For instance:

• £1.5m Gosling cobntract blunder.
• £1.0m Vaughan sale value - never gets a game currently.
• £4.0m Yak - never got a game recently - now on loan.
• £4.0 Yobo - reserve cb - now on loan.
• £3.0 Heitinga - Moyes seems to see him as a reserve cb. We should be able to get our £6m back and acquire a Wheater-like bench defender for £3m, leaving a net profit of £3m.
• £9.0m Bily - occasional 20 minute or less cameos.
• £10m Rodwell - while some people consider him 'the future', he doesn't get a game, and imay be going backwards in development due to inaction.

Now, I accept that there's a lot of shortcomings with what I've just said. It's far easier to realise player values in a computer game than in the real world, I've mixed and marched some estimated current values with purchase prices, and so on. It's still apparent, though, that (even ignoring the Gosling affair as water already under the bridge) that we've got around £30 million providing adding very little value results-wise. Even allowing for the need for a prudent number of reserves in case of injury, intensive wheeling & dealing could surely translate some of this unused value into a decent striker and a couple of up and coming wide players.

The moral of this, overall, is that although we all want more money, maybe we should be using better the money we've already got.

My vote for absolute perfect observation. I feel the same way on all accounts.