James McCarthy

[buskwhi2]

Was coming into this thread to remind folks this exact point.. in terms of profit and loss need to stop thinking purchase price and start thinking book values.. that’s what matters to the FFP. A 6m profit actually allows us to by a £30m player with a 5 year contract and break even in year one.

The initial post was davek talking about the net profits from martinez’s transfers - it wasn’t about book values or p&l profits. Completely different conversation

 

[BNJ1878]

The initial post was davek talking about the net profits from martinez’s transfers - it wasn’t about book values or p&l profits. Completely different conversation

Thanks for the historical background, unfortunately I missed that as hes on ignore for the constant guff in the stadium thrrad.

 

[meagher94]

Sell

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Id rather keep him than snides. He is a better player than him and a current tom davis. But he is an injury prone player and its time to move him on with an over load in midfield. Move snides on too if decent money comes in.

 

[davek]

He did, 07-10 multiple European qualifications, a cup final, derby wins, sadly ruined by three ACL injuries to the spine of his team in one season.

Lukaku aside we’ve not recruited well since Moyes left. Finally it looks like we could be.

Martyn, Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Howard, Baines, Pienaar, Fellaini, Stones. They were the pick of the Moyes signings who you could say were great acquisitions - on the cheap and gave great service (with some fetching a big profit for the club).

That's nine players in 11 seasons. The vast majority that he signed were utter tripe / barely decent:

Richard Wright
Iain Turner
Li Tie
McFadden
Beattie
Kroldrup
Davies
Plessis
Neville
Valente
Van Der Meyde
Scott Spencer
Jutkiewicz
Wessels
Gosling
Gardner
Jacobsen
Castillo
Nash
Garbutt
Peterlin
Arnoux
Bilyaletdinov
Heitinga
Neill
Beckford
Mageye Gueye
Mucha
Velios
Gibson
Jelavic
Naismith
Kennedy
Hitzlsperger

 

[orly]

Bilyaletidinov was a great signing ffs

 

[BigBlueConk]

Martyn, Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Howard, Baines, Pienaar, Fellaini, Stones. They were the pick of the Moyes signings who you could say were great acquisitions - on the cheap and gave great service (with some fetching a big profit for the club).

That's nine players in 11 seasons. The vast majority that he signed were utter tripe / barely decent:

Richard Wright
Iain Turner
Li Tie
McFadden
Beattie
Kroldrup
Davies
Plessis
Neville
Valente
Van Der Meyde
Scott Spencer
Jutkiewicz
Wessels
Gosling
Gardner
Jacobsen
Castillo
Nash
Garbutt
Peterlin
Arnoux
Bilyaletdinov
Heitinga
Neill
Beckford
Mageye Gueye
Mucha
Velios
Gibson
Jelavic
Naismith
Kennedy
Hitzlsperger

You could pick a half decent 5 aside team from that lot.

 

[davek]

You could pick a half decent 5 aside team from that lot.

Half decent is optimistic.

 

[davek]

The signings of Baines, Lescott, Jagielka, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Coleman were on the same level.

Do me a favour.

 

[davek]

Yes but also Pienaar

A very good signing, nowhere near Lukaku's contribution and value to the club.

 

[davek]

Sorry mate but you are bang out of order here.
You generally amuse me with your going against the flow / WUM postings.
However , recently (and admittedly begrudgingly) you have been admitting that Brands has been doing a reasonable job , in your eyes !.
Why now resort to "jug head" comments.
Childish and puerile , in my view. How does this advance the debate , and us as a club ?.

I genuinely thought it'd generally been adopted as his nickname. I've seen a few others using it and tried it myself.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Martyn, Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Howard, Baines, Pienaar, Fellaini, Stones. They were the pick of the Moyes signings who you could say were great acquisitions - on the cheap and gave great service (with some fetching a big profit for the club).

That's nine players in 11 seasons. The vast majority that he signed were utter tripe / barely decent:

Richard Wright
Iain Turner
Li Tie
McFadden
Beattie
Kroldrup
Davies
Plessis
Neville
Valente
Van Der Meyde
Scott Spencer
Jutkiewicz
Wessels
Gosling
Gardner
Jacobsen
Castillo
Nash
Garbutt
Peterlin
Arnoux
Bilyaletdinov
Heitinga
Neill
Beckford
Mageye Gueye
Mucha
Velios
Gibson
Jelavic
Naismith
Kennedy
Hitzlsperger

Most of them on that list cost little or nothing tbf

Heitinga was a good signing as well

Beckford signed on a free done alrite ghen sold him for a profit

Gosling wasnt terrible

Valentine was solid

Neville was a good player over the years as well

 

[davek]

You know what Dave, many times I disagree with your statements... and I can see the angle from your perspective even if I disagree (Hope you find my questions insightful rather than annoying).

But this one is baffling. Coleman & signing Rooney as a kid are stratosphere’s above Lukaku. And they are not even considering Cahill, Arteta et al.

Rooney was inherited by Moyes. He didn't sign him.

Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar etc were good contributors on the pitch...nit as much as Lukaku, and NONE of them got near to the sheer profit heis sale produced.

All in all, it is self evident that Lukaku is the greatesdt signing of the 21st century for EFC.

 

[davek]

Most of them on that list cost little or nothing tbf

Heitinga was a good signing as well

Beckford signed on a free done alrite ghen sold him for a profit

Gosling wasnt terrible

Valentine was solid

Neville was a good player over the years as well

They were bang average to tripe. Outside of the obvious Arteta, Cahhill, Pienaar, Baines, Lescott signings which eveyone points to, the quality was poor and the value to this club was non-exositent.

That's the reality of the Moyes era from a player transaction perspective.

 

[granter79]

The Irish prince will be missed on here. Hopefully stays fit n gets games at palace. Great business for us at 8m