Usmanov

[davek]

Well said David.

Esk, in my opinion, always posted his considered opinion of matters, especially financial matters. He offered them as matters for discussion but because of a couple of transfer announcements that went awry, he gets slaughtered on here now.

If more people actually took some time out to read his articles and if things are unclear ask him for further explanation, they might appreciate some of the business understanding he possesses and some of the insight he offers.

I think his initial early mistake was to offer a lot of hope that things would be sorted a lot sooner. IMO he's evolved that line (though people choose not to see it) and deserves a second hearing. He certainly remains one of the most incisive commentators of all matter Everton and club governance.

 

[blueblue]

On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.

The real crux Dave is that the Esk has been repeatedly incorrect in his predictions and is still insistent regarding the Usmanov/Everton connection even though everything he has said would not happen has happened apart from Usmanov becoming an official shareholder at Everton and after what he said yesterday(Usmanov) then it cannot be denied that is a distinct possibility.

Agreed that people only want to hear what they want to hear but history would give them licence to not accept the opinion of Esk or his precdictions for the future.

My own opinion based on nothing apart from the actual events since Moshiri arrived at Everton is that there is a grand plan, that Usmanov wanted to stay at Arenal, he made one last final attempt to buy out Kroenke last year and when that failed he accepted that his time their was finished.
I think the money he made out of Arsenal alone would tempt him to stay in the English game rather than go into Europe and if Moshiri and/or Usmanov could get Everton in the same mix as City/Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool,Chelsea and Spurs then the value of the club would increase out of all proportion even moreso if a shiny new stadium in an iconic location with a sensible costing structure was in the pipeline.

It makes sense.. it may never happen.. but it is a logical next step.

 

[brieverton]

I don't mind Esk, and following comments are not related to him, but I find the self-promoting, re-tweeting and general self-congratulatory tone of a small band of Evertonians in the twittersphere in relation to their podcasts / blogs to be rather irksome.

Anyone who tweets a recommendation or compliment gets re-tweeted to infinity.

A lot of the time they tweet these amongst themselves.

 

[Zatara]

Ah ok. I was just thinking in terms of Usmanov mate! Johnson has tended to pick fights with Putin, it's kind of his thing. Very dodgy views to the White Helmtes/ISIS and he thinks it makes him look like Churchill. If he becomes PM I think it will be high on his agenda. Hopefully Usmanov sorts him if it comes to that.

Doubt it will affect Usmanov in any way mate...

Blues, esk hasn't post on here for about a year or so. Not sure he warrants the level of attention on here. Perhaps instead engage with him on Twitter, his website, article comments on Echo etc and elsewhere...

A year??? Making me feel old...

 

[Goat]

1 thing to point out is this. The Mosh is already heavily invested in Everton.

Hes got his intial 80m purchase of shares, then theres the 150m loan, then you would imagine another 100m+ plus for the rest of the shares.

So that would mean he has invested 330m into the club and would own 100%, in theory, would he be able to sell the club for more than 330m? Talk of Ashley wanting 300m for Newcastle and they have a vastly better stadium than us. So it could be said that Everton is at its limit for how much it can be milked for profit. A new stadium of course changes this.

But I would imagine there are clubs much more ripe for profit than Everton are currently, which makes me think that Usmanov will move elsewhere, but wherever he goes, you can be sure that USM will be lashing money at it.

 

[bluestevon]

I can't disagree with most of what you put mate. I think he wants to help and feels he has a worthwhile opinion to give. Maybe that led to him being creative with the truth but I think it's not as sinister as that.

As you say he writes well and speaks eloquently. I agree with some of what he puts but not other bits. He seems to have a bit of a blind spot for Usmanov, if there was anything perhaps underhand I think it would be around this, as opposed to calling transfers wrong.

I actually enjoy the podcast he does, you should go on the GOT one and embrace your inner celebrity ha ha!

Had enough of that celebrity mate, been doing videos for the school I work at this week lol

 

[AndyC]

People don't just do things for financial gain mate, notoriety and quasi fame can be enough for some.

Since his remarkable summer of being itk, just answer the following, has he hawked himself out like a cheap whore as a apparent voice of evertonians?

Has his own podcsst now, which I'm assuming he was planning for a whilst as you don't knock one up overnight. Has his own website, had articles in the local red rag, appeared on podcasts such as futbolgrad - when he frankly got shown up by someone with an in depth knowledge of the way Russians ownership of teams operates

Can guarantee he's tried and been knocked back on a lot more self publicity angles as well.

Amazing then that they (Futbolgrad) recently invited him to participate again in their podcast and have quite happily used his recent articles... if he was the dummy you're suggesting he is, why would they do that ?

 

[Goat]

Amazing then that they (Futbolgrad) recently invited him to participate again in their podcast and have quite happily used his recent articles... if he was the dummy you're suggesting he is, why would they do that ?

The man can defend himself Andy mate, crawl out of his backside for Gods sake.

 

[GwladysPhil]

I hope a 5 star hotel and Mitchellin star restaurants start popping up in Liverpool to keep this guy happy.

 

[bluestevon]

Amazing then that they (Futbolgrad) recently invited him to participate again in their podcast and have quite happily used his recent articles... if he was the dummy you're suggesting he is, why would they do that ?

Because Andy he speaks well, has a strong opinion on most things, and has a differing viewpoint to one if their staple podcast guests.

Pretty much ticks the boxes for a good podcast guest doesn't it?


Let me ask you something though.

Out of a whole host of predictions, assertions, articles, tweets, in numerous matters, if the bloke wasn't formerly a long time poster, a mod and known to you, what would honestly your opinion be on him if you removed that personal connection?

 

[bluestevon]

The man can defend himself Andy mate, crawl out of his backside for Gods sake.

It's fine mate, I'm already getting warning points issued for personal abuse.

Exactly what that abuse is I don't know ofc, listing a series of actions and possible reasons for those seems to be unnecessary abuse now.

 

[Goat]

It's fine mate, I'm already getting warning points issued for personal abuse.

Exactly what that abuse is I don't know ofc, listing a series of actions and possible reasons for those seems to be unnecessary abuse now.

I blame Dave.

 

[AndyC]

Because Andy he speaks well, has a strong opinion on most things, and has a differing viewpoint to one if their staple podcast guests.

Pretty much ticks the boxes for a good podcast guest doesn't it?


Let me ask you something though.

Out of a whole host of predictions, assertions, articles, tweets, in numerous matrers, if the bloke wasn't formerly a long time poster, a mod and known to you, what would honestly your opinion be on him if you removed that personal connection?

I doubt very much Futbolgrad would have him on if they thought he was a dummy.
I read his articles and listen to the EBM podcasts because I find them interesting, informative, and because having asked for further explanation or offered my own (sometimes differing) opinions, he's always been perfectly happy and willing to explain his thinking further.

He might not always be right, but I find much of what he talks/writes about interesting and stimulating.

 

[bluestevon]

I blame Dave.

Nah Dave can give and take the banter and everything that goes with it.

Apparently saying someone hawked themselves out like a cheap whore for publicity is an unnecessary personal insult.

I think it sums up what happened perfectly well in reality, but I should apologise as it has been deemed as wrong and incorrect by the blokes former moderator colleagues.

 

[Wat Tyler]

A-- There is NOTHING to gain for USM holdings to sponsor anything at all...they are a holding company. They dont need any advertising or marketing.

There are two conclusions to be made from this;

1-- Moshiri is doing this himself and using USM as a vehicle. With Usmanovs blessing

2-- Usmanov is behind everything together with Moshiri


B-- There were 2 statements made by Usmanov;

1-- Happy to help his mate Farhad

2-- Would invest in a european side if there was a good ROI


Whichever viewpoint you take, USMANOV is ALREADY involved with the club. Either via the USM sponsorship and helping Farhad OR hes partnered with him.

Even without purchasing his own stake under his own name hes still involved...

Using Moshiri as a front man allows him to buy other clubs if a good deal pops up.

I find it odd that posters dont recognise this.

Doesn’t Moshiri have shares in USM though? That could be why they sponsor FF, and nothing to do with Usmanov. (I think he has shares anyway)