Usmanov

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Brisan123 said:
On the ETIC point
Usmanov is well renowned as a philanthropist and has given large amounts to sporting organisations esp fencing
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Maybe he could fence off Castle Greyskull...joking (really!)

@catcherintherye - the point I was trying to make irrespective of my 'mis-quotes' is that whilst Everton are not a wholly attractive proposition given the monies required to proceed with and complete their plans for world dominance they are a real catch for any investor willing to pump money into the club's future development esp. in light of the intention to build on BMD, an open door to further investment opportunities and a very serious value for money project. I am not sure what other clubs here or in Europe could entice someone of Usmanov's standing unless he is happy to sit on a board of directors and see modest returns on his investment.

Irrespective, it is potentially exciting times and may be a real game changer if it all comes to fruition as we hope.
 
I heard a rumour a while ago in an era where the Granchesters had took a dislike to BK allegedly - over shares issue - I am sure the Granchesters , and BK would cooperate ala BK getting a position of moved upstairs with no power etc - we did it with The Cat when he was in ill health out of loyalty - other than that I still feel Usmanov best friends with Moshiri has been behind the scenes for a good while hence the premier league investigation on Panorama etc -
let the dust settle and I feel he will either carry on bankrolling us or come on the Board in the near future - hopefully
 

Efcjake said:
Exactly, it was a meaningless statement with no requirement to be made due to how little information it actually offered.

So why do it? I just can't work that one out at all
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there was absolutely no reason to do it. Usmanov's comments were vague at best and could have been brushed off as simply friendly chit chat about his mate. By the club coming out and addressing this it's made it a thing.
 
catcherintherye said:
The Esk gets a hard wrap because of people largely wanting binary conclusions. Either someone is lying or someone is the fountain of all knowledge. The truth is most people fall between that. Deals break down all the time, it's easy to see in hindsight how Mata's/Witsels legal team ran rings around Walsh/Koeman and that Moshiri was taken in by big name players without fully evaluating the risks. Alongside that he would have been reckless in allowing information to be fed out via his people. That seems a far more likely scenario than an Evertonian risks his hard earned reputation to lie to fans. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but thats mine.

His podcast he does is very good and I enjoy his writing.

That being said, while he has always made good points re Usmanov and undoubtedly has more access to information than I have ever had (I have no inside information so thats true of anyone) I think he's been a bit awry on that issue from the start.

I have read his latest two articles you mention. Both make good points but there are important pieces of context missing. His second article seems to focus on making a case for him not becoming a shareholder. He then suggests that he wouldn't have to be a shareholder to either be formally or informally involved. It kind of answers his own question. He doesn't need to formally buy shares and he can funnel money in via a holding company (which was the plan at Arsenal and consistent with how many Russian owners operate). For lots of reasons this would make a lot more sense than him being formally listed.

I also disagree with his interpretation of the words. The analysis is too literal, very few people will say explicitly what they intend to do, but him saying "I am happy to help (everton)" is a massive statement. This coming days after media outlets tell us he has no interest in Everton. His position that "if he needs support" is the critical caveat over making the first part invalid I find unusual as well. It has been widely noted, not least from the Esk himself that the club needs investment and that financial circumstances has made that harder for Moshiri that it was 2 years ago. If Everton are to become what Moshiri promised it is very likely he needs support, especially at the current moment in time.

The other article about where the funding is coming from for the summer appeared to me to kick the problem down the curb for 12 months rather than fundamentally solving the question. The Esk produced a number of informative articles suggesting that Everton would struggle to compete financially and I know privately he felt it would be a real challenge (he's also privately stated things that have turned out to be true). At a critical point of the window we just start going mad with signings and it is dotted around the Usmanov sale from Arsenal who has said he is "happy to help". His position is we found funds but will need the austere summer next season. If a wealthy investor is not making money available that would be true, however I simply don't believe that will be the case as it hasn't been for 3 years.

The final interesting point he has made in the articles is that Moshiri has the ability to find alternative solutions to funds (I think he referenced the company who are behind the Liver Building purchase). I think this is a really good point. Mossier clearly has connections to wealth and capital that goes beyond Usmanov. My suspicion is that it's not an either/or though and we may see both of those options being true.

So yes, I think the Esk's contributions should be read and they are interesting. He clearly has good information from close to Moshiri but sometimes people can be a bit too close to see whats happening outside of that. As with anyone else he has the right to his view which is always eloquently presented, however my interpretation of the information thats in the public domain is that it is far more consistent with Usmanov coming on board than not.
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On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.
 
Efcjake said:
I can't for the life of me work out what the point of Keith Harris's quotes to clarify what support could mean were.

It clarified nothing and added nothing to the discussion so why even bother saying it on the record?
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or perhaps by saying what he said it actually said volumes....!
 

I see that Bloomberg article as Usmanov drip feeding his interest in us to the press in order to not blow the cover he’s been here all along, if you believe Panorama he gifted the money to Moshiri to buy us, so he indirectly bought 49% already.

Moshiri and Usmanov will happily run this club side by side and take us to the promised land, they wanted to do that at Arsenal, they will now do it here, the prestige they can gain from taking us into the European elite, with a brand new stadium to do it all in is exactly the type of project that they would have wanted, to take something good and make it great again.

The cherry on the cake for them is being involved in the redevelopment of the waterfront and the cash to be made out of it.
 
davek said:
On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.
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