Usmanov

[orly]

On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.

It's spelled "blagger" David, and we have been asked to stop writing about him in this thread.

Usmanov, here at Everton, end of.

 

[davek]

Care to quote where you found out this information please Dave, thanks.

Because in the 1970s I'm.ptetty certain it would have been called Soviet rather than Uzbek and also certain he would have been a russian appointment rather than a chosen crony of s Uzbek president as you try to insinuate.

He's Uzbek. He was working for the Uzbek Soviet Republic. It was called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As you know.

 

[GwladysPhil]

If it did then it's been lost on me.

I was a bit underwhelmed by his "even moral support" comment.

 

[Amw79]

On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.

Pretty much agree with this. Is a good Evertonian, and writes well on the financial side, don't always agree with him, but offers a useful perspective.

I will however, take the mick from time to time, as his name has inadvertently become a byword for overly confident-ITK statements which turn out to be dead wrong. He does mock himself for this on twitter, so has a sense of humour about it.

But I’ve always found his insistence that Usmanov will not be coming to Everton, and unflinching confidence in this opinion a bit weird. I certainly don’t know what’s happening with Usmanov, and have no idea how it will pan out. I can make some connections and guesses, but wouldn’t be saying anything with certainty on this issue. His certainty on an issue, which I doubt he can be certain on is odd.

Fence-sitting, admitting you don’t know, or admitting you could be wrong are right out of fashion.

 

[ossie_21]

I for one support our new Russian-Uzbek overlord

 

[Jimishorts]

Any truth in the rumours he’s holed up in a cave in Pakistan?

Who @davek?

 

[royalblue66]

I for one support our new Russian-Uzbek overlord

And me.

 

[davek]

Pretty much agree with this. Is a good Evertonian, and writes well on the financial side, don't always agree with him, but offers a useful perspective.

I will however, take the mick from time to time, as his name has inadvertently become a byword for overly confident-ITK statements which turn out to be dead wrong. He does mock himself for this on twitter, so has a sense of humour about it.

But I’ve always found his insistence that Usmanov will not be coming to Everton, and unflinching confidence in this opinion a bit weird. I certainly don’t know what’s happening with Usmanov, and have no idea how it will pan out. I can make some connections and guesses, but wouldn’t be saying anything with certainty on this issue. His certainty on an issue, which I doubt he can be certain on is odd.

Fence-sitting, admitting you don’t know, or admitting you could be wrong are right out of fashion.

As said mate, I think ultimately the esk is someone who believes Moshiri is the man to get it right here, and he's also keen to fire-wall Everton from Usmanov...or at least a direct involvement with the club at ownership/boardroom level.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

On Usmanov: I think the basic problem is that people aren't happy when others tell them stuff they dont wish to hear. That's the crux of the grief he gets over his insistence there will be no formal involvement with Moshiri and that any dealings would be of an indirect nature, say through sponsorship like he's already done. I read overall his writings on Usmanov as him trying to build a firewall between the club and any sense that they are involved in underhand funding that break the rules - or the spirit of the rules.

At the end of the day the esk is a blogger with an expertise in company finance who should be read and assessed. I certainly have had issues with him myself - I always think that the application of strict buiness logic to a football club is folly. It's a business like no other. But I respect his right to argue the opposite. That is the point for me in all this: he's undoubtedly a good Evertonian who has a grasp of football finances (and has been a good friend to this forum btw, as I'm sure its owner will testify to). I'm sure he'll crack on regardless of what's said about him on here or elsewhere but I think it's a shame he gets dogs abuse. I'll certainly never contribute to that abuse.

he puts his opinions out there whether accurate or not and that should be commended, unfortunately there will always be criticism aimed at anyone willing to put themselves in the firing line. The lads at the blueroom and ToffeeTV get the same dogs abuse the moment they say something people don’t want to hear and whilst I can appreciate these fan based media may not be to everyone’s taste and they certainly don’t represent our entire fanbase they do deserve some credit.

Esk clearly knows a lot more about business than I do and therefore I listen to his podcasts and will read his articles with great interest. Are they correct, does he have insider knowledge? Probably not but it’s still a fascinating insight into how the club might work and at the end of the day it’s all just his opinion.

Anyway Usmanov is coming so crack open the bubbly!!!

 

[Joey66]

As said mate, I think ultimately the esk is someone who believes Moshiri is the man to get it right here, and he's also keen to fire-wall Everton from Usmanov...or at least a direct involvement with the club at ownership/boardroom level.

How can that be so he has already sponsored our training ground so much so there was a panorama investigation about the two of them about an offshore IOM office .......
It was denied of course by Moshiri as the premier league forbid 2 club involvements - johnson was the same with Tranmere Rovers we were told if we were drawn together in the cups both teams would be eliminated!
this Russian billionaire is now free of arsenal - lets wait and see.......
By the way look on Arsenal blogs they are fuming they have lost out on a multi millionaire , and they suspect he will team up with Moshiri -let's hope so - new ground on the horizon etc new team etc ...... new Manager new DOF etc.......

 

[peteblue]

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I suppose I just don't see it that way Steve. Maybe there was an ulterior motive but I can't see what that would be. He probably overshared information. As a fan base I think we place too much appreciation on ITK's anyway but maybe we are a bit critical of people who pass on information that turns out not true.

It could have all been a ploy, it's not my interpretation though. I think on here it had got to a point where it was a bit untenable allround. Maybe he had an exit plan, but do people really get that much out of making a podcast? I don't see it.

Why do you think he was passing on wrong information if thats what he was doing? I can't see any sense in doing that?

He didn’t pass on wrong information. He had no information to pass on. He had his own opinion, which he passed on as if it were information and many on here just wanted to believe it.....

 

[Goat]

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He didn’t pass on wrong information. He had no information to pass on. He had his own opinion, which he passed on as if it were information and many on here just wanted to believe it.....

As most know I don't think Usmanov is leaving Arsenal.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...agrees-to-sell-arsenal-shares-to-stan-kroenke

Even if USM wanted to lend money to Everton (which I doubt) they could not under Premier League rules because of Usmanov's shareholding in USM and Red & White Holdings (his vehicle for Arsenal shares).

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...s-alisher-usmanov-usm-holdings-farhad-moshiri

Hes just a man, who works in a Macdonalds drive through, who chats wham, just like me, just like you, just like Dave.

He knows nada.

Ive been pretty harsh on the fella the last few days, I blame Dave, Dave has used him as a puppet to push his agenda, I will refrain from commenting about him from this post on.


I maintain my stance, that Ali very much a part of the club, from what im reading atm, I suspect he will purchase another club, him and The Mosh are all about dat paper, investing in 2 football clubs gets them vastly more paper than investing in 1, it also allows them to invest into the clubs from afar.

Plus its been implied that The Mosh wishes to go alone with Everton, do his own thing and Ali will probably want the same.

The above is OFC just IMO.

 

[Blues Harp]

Just look at the Corbyn news over the past few days...and weeks...and in general.

Should be sent to the gulag

Believe that do you? Bollox it is mate

 

[AndyC]

It's his opinion. He doesn't present it as fact. He argues his position is right, but that isn't the same as saying 'this is defo the case, it will all happen this way'. He never presents his views in that manner.

TBH, I think it;s been shocking how the esk has been treated and (mis)represented...and that's from someone who has more than once argued against him and the line he takes.

Well said David.

Esk, in my opinion, always posted his considered opinion of matters, especially financial matters. He offered them as matters for discussion but because of a couple of transfer announcements that went awry, he gets slaughtered on here now.

If more people actually took some time out to read his articles and if things are unclear ask him for further explanation, they might appreciate some of the business understanding he possesses and some of the insight he offers.

 

[davek]

he puts his opinions out there whether accurate or not and that should be commended, unfortunately there will always be criticism aimed at anyone willing to put themselves in the firing line. The lads at the blueroom and ToffeeTV get the same dogs abuse the moment they say something people don’t want to hear and whilst I can appreciate these fan based media may not be to everyone’s taste and they certainly don’t represent our entire fanbase they do deserve some credit.

Esk clearly knows a lot more about business than I do and therefore I listen to his podcasts and will read his articles with great interest. Are they correct, does he have insider knowledge? Probably not but it’s still a fascinating insight into how the club might work and at the end of the day it’s all just his opinion.

Anyway Usmanov is coming so crack open the bubbly!!!

I agree with most of that. It's opinion and prognostications. I never see him making categorical assurances something will defo happen. It's qualified.