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catcherintherye said:
As I have said for some time on this, we have seen a continual chipping away at the position on this question. You've had the USM sponsorship, Moshiri's comments that "they always do things together" being seen together at a match, Usmanov through back channels suggesting he might be looking to sell shares, and now this article. Each has been a slow incremental move towards Usmanov coming to Everton looking more likely.
Whether all of the above has been planned with each leek being thought through, or whether it is events taking control we will not know, but you could certainly see all of the above events through the paradigm of a clear plan from Usmanov to move to Everton. The events certainly make sense from that viewpoint (though it is questionable whether true).

The latest article is another big jump. The FT is not just a respected main stream media outlet, it is the media outlet for the circles Usmanov mingles in not just in this country but in the world. It is simply not plausible for such an outlet for such an outlet to want to run such a story without the agreement of Usmanov and given the nature of the story it looks to be as if he has gone to them to plant the story. You have to see the FT as a meeting space for international commerce and this is Usmanov letting it be known to the entire business community that his shares are now available. I'm not sure we can write it off as tabloid nonsense.

Those who have been sceptical of Usmanov joining Everton have essentially been sceptical on the basis that he would not either be able to, willing to or want to leave Arsenal. I have no seen anyone make much of an argument yet that if if were free to do so he would not want to invest in Everton. It would go against any kind of consistency in his business approach. The calls that he'd invest in another club shouldn't be taken very seriously as it would have very little precedent in not just his role in the past, but also how any investor would act. Why would you allow your closest business partner, to invest in a club, sponsor said club, become a formal part of club with your money, sell shares in a rival club to then go and buy into a third club? Thats before you get into the obvious question of which club really offers the viability of option and potential Everton does?

Given the major obstacle has always been at the Arsenal end, much of the truths that have been said have been proven to be completely untrue. I don't think anybody could seriously say now that Usmanov would not consider selling his shares. I also don't think it could really be argued he's not actively looking to do so.

In situations like this, you have to look at events. Ask yourself "why would he come in at this moment". We tend to look at things from the perspective of the cycle of transfer windows and playing staff. We question why he doesn't come in to spend money on players. Put simply he won't look from that perspective. You get 2 windows a season and there's nothing particularly unique about that.

The unique event is the stadium. It's funding, the start of the project and the further business opportunities that will come from that. I've always contended any move from Usmanov would likely be timed around announcements to do with this. There has been a lot of talk of him coming and some suggested he'd already be in and Kenwright would be gone. That has been delayed, as has finalising funding for the stadium. Again it's not unreasonable to suggest the two may be linked.
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As a few on here have said any money spent on the club stadium etc will be recouped in other investments in the immediate area
It’s the big picture and the 10 year plan that these lads are interested in
 
It would most likely be a man-servant who fetched the milk. Images of Usmanov nipping out in his dressing gown to the corner shop seem a little unlikely. I'm not pouring cold water on the idea that the oligarch is about to take control at Everton, all I'm saying is that some people might be reading too much into his household requiring a pint of milk.
 
Neiler said:
I dont see it happening personally.

I see the two of them being in cahoots at Everton and Arsenal like a consortium, one at Everton the other at Arsenal.

I think because the stake in Arsenal grew in vaule so much , they said to themsleves it makes sense to double our exposure in the PL. Cue Mosh coming to Everton so one holds their exposure in Arsenal the other in Everton, they double their exposure to the gravy train. Why would you throw the whole lot in at Everton when you will make more in your investment at Arsenal and Everton. Then just Everton.

The only time i see that changing is when their investment is better off wholly at Everton, i'm not sure that is the case.

Just my opinion mind. I dont accept the sporting or vanity argument.
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Ego and the boost it gets owning a successful PL club
 

I don't see the connection in Usmanov selling his stake in Arsenal to him buying into Everton. More likely it has to do with him freeing up capital to buy up free floating stock for his Telecoms company Megafon that is currently in the process of de-listing from LSE and effectively becoming a private Company.

In effect they are planning to avoid future sanctions applied by HMG
 
bobafro said:
This doesn't really make sense.

Usmanov (60%) and Moshiri (10%) both have shares in USM who have the naming rights to Finch Farm.

If Moshiri's money comes from his "USM fortune" (which a portion of it does) this doesn't mean that Usmanov has a stake in Everton. That's like saying if I bought some shares in Facebook that means Mark Zuckerberg owns my house.

There could absolutely have been plans for Usmanov's eventual move to Everton in the pipeline since Moshiri joined - but I'm pretty sure that if this was shown to be true there would be serious repercussions for Usmanov, Moshiri and Everton (would probably open us up to legal action from Arsenal etc.).
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It makes sense if you know sixtygrand’s true loyalties
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
I don't see the connection in Usmanov selling his stake in Arsenal to him buying into Everton. More likely it has to do with him freeing up capital to buy up free floating stock for his Telecoms company Megafon that is currently in the process of de-listing from LSE and effectively becoming a private Company.
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Legacy.. that is what it is about for people like Usmanov. It stopped being about money for him some time ago.
Money is a challenge for most of us but not for the super wealthy... he can make it anytime and is doing so everyday in huge amounts... that is no longer a challenge.

How will he be remembered... his focus will be turning towards that now and I think he looks at people like Abramovich and wants to be known for something like the Chelsea project.
It was going to Arsenal but that will never happen now.
He will pick a new club or just maybe pick a club in a different sport or maybe a club in a different country... but the Premiership is a huge attraction and Man City have shown how quickly a club can force it's way to the top with enough resources.

The only connections between Everton and Usmanov are Moshiri/Dein/Kenwright... they are real connections but may have no relevance to Everton.
 

blueblue said:
Legacy.. that is what it is about for people like Usmanov. It stopped being about money for him some time ago.
Money is a challenge for most of us but not for the super wealthy... he can make it anytime and is doing so everyday in huge amounts... that is no longer a challenge.

How will he be remembered... his focus will be turning towards that now and I think he looks at people like Abramovich and wants to be known for something like the Chelsea project.
It was going to Arsenal but that will never happen now.
He will pick a new club or just maybe pick a club in a different sport or maybe a club in a different country... but the Premiership is a huge attraction and Man City have shown how quickly a club can force it's way to the top with enough resources.

The only connections between Everton and Usmanov are Moshiri/Dein/Kenwright... they are real connections but may have no relevance to Everton.
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He will need to find approx $1.26 billion to take Megafon private and he needs to do it by the end of August. I dont care how rich he is - you dont have that amount of readies stuffed down the back of the couch
 

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