dandydan
Player Valuation: £40m
Long one from the back?
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Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
want to hear the 1st time I heard the phrase Big Sam?
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
I think we are at cross purposes, Eggy
My post was not meant as a reason for picking Sam as manager.
Personally, I believe that we will stay up no matter whom we appoint as manager.
Though sadly my confidence does not extend to giving it to dear old Unsie......it is pure cruelty to keep that fellow in even the temporary job
So rest assured, if this shortlist does indeed consist of Sam, MON and your man Fonseca then I am with you 100%.
Go for the unknown quantity who might bring us sommat different
Because I have every faith in my grand old team staying up......it is not by accident we have amassed more top flight seasons than any other club.
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The reality is Tim that when Moshiri bought in, Kenwright has been richly rewarded for running a business that has woefully performed for his entire ownership and is massively underperforming against its peers in its industry. He’s been rewarded for investing nothing and Lady Luck, in the form of the EPL TV revenue, flowing into his business (ie a complete passenger on other’s hard work). On top of that Moshiri has effectively given him £140+ million, money that he could only ever have dreamed of, to buy players this summer.
If I put myself in Bills shoes this year he is not only drinking champagne with his bank manager but in the casino with someone else’s money. He’s like any FIFA-playing-PlayStation Evertonian in that sense - utter fantasy land when it comes to buying whoever he wants (Rooney) for whatever he wants to pay in transfer fees / salaries.
On top of all that (and the rumours clearly weren’t true) he’s also had a Lazarus-like recovery from terminal cancer!
He is the one person I hold wholly responsible for this mess.
arbok
Player Valuation: £15m
Moshiri is playing a game that he knows nothing about - just like many other billionaires who come in with their money but don't have the time to implement a thorough plan, they buy some players (overpay in many cases) and expect to be competing at a higher level, but athletes are humans and operate on confidence and morale, the foundations at Everton have been crumbling for a good while now, from the second season of Martinez's reign to now, we had one good season, Koeman's first where we finished seventh, where he cracked the whip. This season, he went soft on them, because he had to get them back on side. Blackburn, Ac Milan as well, Valencia, Cardiff, the owners come in with their pots of money, but don't know anything about the game or the business itself. Chelsea, Man City, PSG were special cases because they were operating at another level to pay the cream of the crop. When you can buy someone of De Bryune or Neymar level, you're going to wipe the floor of the competition. Chelsea for a while, had a number of unsuccessful transfers, so I wonder how far Moshiri will go. Is he at Roman Abramovich's level? Or is he more of a Vincent Tan/ Peter Lim?
gorgeousgeorgeEFC
Player Valuation: £25m
Eggy.....if I am not mistaken Burnley spent about nearly forty odd years in the lower leagues after being relegated in the 70s, after having been a top flight club throughout my early life up to then, even being crowned Champions in the early 60s.
They have only been back a few years and that itself has had a relegation in the middle of it.
No doubt they will go down again a few years from now and who knows when they will be back.
Relegation is never good.
The lower leagues are replete with clubs which were once top flight regulars and which went down ages ago and still have not come back.
Leeds, Blackburn, Forest, Derby, both Sheffield clubs.
You currently see Villa finding it hard to get out of the Championship.
It is easy to say a club “decides whether relegation is a calamity or a hiccup”.
I am sure all of those clubs I mentioned decided they were going to come straight back up.
It doesn’t work as simply as that in the real world.......there has in recent years been the rise of the upstart clubs like Bournemouth, Brighton and Huddersfield making it even harder for the Aston Villas and the Sunderlands to get back up.
And whilst you might glibly write off our top flight longevity as being of little account outside of Evertonia, I begs to differ.
It is that very longevity which sets us apart from those wannabe clubs for whom merely staying in the EPL is the end in itself.
Like aristocrats whom have fallen on hard times, our lineage gives us kudos and when people talk even about the Premier League era they can point at only seven of the original clubs being still in it.
The “top six” and EFC.
And only six which have been permanent members.
In these fallow days of trophy droughts there is one stat we can at least point to......the most seasons spent in the top flight.
And for chaps of my vintage there are only two teams which have never been relegated In our lifetime.......Arsenal are the other one
Brilliant post.
Relegation would be the death of this club.
If we went down we would make Pompey look like a success story.
gorgeousgeorgeEFC
Player Valuation: £25m
Hmmm going on this theory as a hypothetical question. Would you take a relegation and an FA Cup trophy in the same season, like wigan did? I know its a mad. But i would. Im 26 and cant properly remember 95. Being very young. I (selfishly maybe) want to see us lift a major trophy. I think i would take the pain of a relegation for a an fa cup, europa league, carling cup win tbh. If we didnt have the new stadium talk i would have took it all day long. Having the new stadium makes this daft question even harder
Relegation wouldn't just mean the end of our dreams of a new stadium, it would likely mean the end of the club as we know it.
We are tens of millions of Pounds in debt and we have a ramshackle stadium and a relatively large wage bill. Pompey MK II
What debt are we in?
magicjuan
Player Valuation: £60m
And leave my club just for the likes of you? No thanks. You don't decide who is and who isn't an Evertonian. I was born in St Domingo road, I have no choice, it is actually in my blood. My family goes back to the very beginnings, my two boys are Evertonians and no self appointed bellwhiff with a keyboard decides if I am an Evertonian, you arrogant prig.
Nonsense. Allardyce would walk over hot coals to be the manager here.
The problem is the club is lowering itself by bringing him in, rather than him deserving a role of this status.
The moment he signs, I lose any hope I had for this club. I can handle being crap; but I can't handle the complete acceptance of being crap. If there's no ambition, there's nothing to support.
I can't support an Everton managed by Sam Allardyce. Can't turn a blind eye to all that his appointment entails.
For me it's not just that he's a rubbish manager, although goodness knows that's bad enough, it's that his reputation has been hugely tarnished by the sting that saw him booted out of the England job. People have argued that anyone opposed to his appointment doesn't love the club, but I'd argue that those that oppose his appointment are doing it precisely because they love the club, not just for what it is, but for how it has tended to go about things.
Appointing Allardyce as manager not only confirms how far we've fallen on the pitch, but also underlines how shambolic we have become off it. That we're prepared to leave any ethical considerations at the door to appoint someone of such mediocre quality is something that understandably sticks in the craw for many. If this goes through it will probably be the lowest I've felt about this club in the 30+ years that I've followed her.
My thoughts exactly - hence this: https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...ith-sam-allardyce.100703/page-92#post-5956625
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
Sorry if I misunderstood you . My fume levels are extremely high at present and rational thought has flown.I think we are at cross purposes, Eggy
My post was not meant as a reason for picking Sam as manager.
Personally, I believe that we will stay up no matter whom we appoint as manager.
Though sadly my confidence does not extend to giving it to dear old Unsie......it is pure cruelty to keep that fellow in even the temporary job
So rest assured, if this shortlist does indeed consist of Sam, MON and your man Fonseca then I am with you 100%.
Go for the unknown quantity who might bring us sommat different
Because I have every faith in my grand old team staying up......it is not by accident we have amassed more top flight seasons than any other club.
EFC are the ultimate survivors
Is assassination a bad thing ?
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