Ronald Koeman discussion

[efcste97]

Oh hello tiger.

Thanks for bringing yourself to my attention.

Ill think again before spelling Allardyce wrong again.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

It’s even worse when you’re trying to have a dig and can’t spell the persons name correctly

With the state were in at the moment.I wouldn't be getting all that hot and bothered over spelling and grammar if i were you mate.

 

[Goat]

Ill think again before spelling Allardyce wrong again.

Speaking as somebody who struggles with most player names just stick with Fat Sam in future mate.

 

[nsno-chris]

With the state were in at the moment.I wouldn't be getting all that hot and bothered over spelling and grammar if i were you mate.

But without it, civilisation will crumble.

 

[Deckard2049]

Looks remarkably similar to what we've tried already.

Klaassen looks lost, Siggurdson isn't impacting upon games, there's no striker good enough to lead the attack - could go on...

Best case scenario is we pick up points here and there and address the mess in January when we can bring in a new striker/our new signings actually look like they can play some sort of meaningful football.

I know that Koeman is rightly being slaughtered right now (myself included), but I really do think that the squad we have is nowhere near as good as it was hyped up to be in the summer. This is something which can't be pinned solely on him; it's something which he, Walsh and the board really need to be held accountable for as a collective. It's a question for a thread of its own and whilst I'm not defending Koeman here, I am starting to question if this squad really is even that good, as some seem to believe.

Quality wise, we have some good technical players and a promising goalkeeper. On paper everyone thought our midfield had good strength in depth. That hasn't been the case. And the balance of our team is completely all off. We have no pace, no width and no striker for starters.

We have enough about us to not be in the position we're in right now in the table. But for the investment we put into the squad in the summer (net spend argument is invalid), it's really disappointing seeing the starting 11's we're putting out week after week. According to some posters on here our best player has been a premier league veteran who a top 6 club deemed completely surplus to their requirements and no longer wanted. Thats just not good enough for a club with our "ambitions".

As you say it'll take another window of spending in January to even begin to fix our problems. A better manager would help us right now, I don't doubt that. Silva and Benitez are doing far superior jobs with far less backing in the transfer market. But they've assembled balanced teams and the fact is the squad we currently have right now is so imbalanced and so deficient in areas which are key to success in this league that I don't see us improving even under a new man until we can sign some other players. And how much is the club going to even cough up in January for transfer funds? Worrying times for us right now.

 

[riddick]

I know that Koeman is rightly being slaughtered right now (myself included), but I really do think that the squad we have is nowhere near as good as it was hyped up to be in the summer. This is something which can't be pinned solely on him; it's something which he, Walsh and the board really need to be held accountable for as a collective. It's a question for a thread of its own and whilst I'm not defending Koeman here, I am starting to question if this squad really is even that good, as some seem to believe.

Quality wise, we have some good technical players and a promising goalkeeper. On paper everyone thought our midfield had good strength in depth. That hasn't been the case. And the balance of our team is completely all off. We have no pace, no width and no striker for starters.

We have enough about us to not be in the position we're in right now in the table. But for the investment we put into the squad in the summer (net spend argument is invalid), it's really disappointing seeing the starting 11's we're putting out week after week. According to some posters on here our best player has been a premier league veteran who a top 6 club deemed completely surplus to their requirements and no longer wanted. Thats just not good enough for a club with our "ambitions".

As you say it'll take another window of spending in January to even begin to fix our problems. A better manager would help us right now, I don't doubt that. Silva and Benitez are doing far superior jobs with far less backing in the transfer market. But they've assembled balanced teams and the fact is the squad we currently have right now is so imbalanced and so deficient in areas which are key to success in this league that I don't see us improving even under a new man until we can sign some other players. And how much is the club going to even cough up in January for transfer funds? Worrying times for us right now.

I think that's a bit simple for this. A LOT of the players brought in are his players. Sigurdsson was his #1 target all summer, Rooney he spoke about since January, Klassen(a dutch player) has all the earmarks of a Koeman player(whatever that is), he went with Walsh to scout Sandro, Martina is undoubtedly his.

The four that I can say are probably not him, just "get me a commanding CB and a keeper" is probably mostly Walsh along with Vlasic and Onyekuru.

That's 5 players that start way too many matches that are most assuredly on him.

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

To me, the below is interesting more so for how there is little difference (in the W/D/L column) between Koeman and Moyes' first 50 games in charge of Everton:

The indictment though on Koeman is the relative riches in transfer funds / player quality that he has in comparison to Moyes. In 2003 Moyes plodded along with next to no money, and with a squad that included Pistone, Radzinski, Pembridge, Naysmith, Nyarko and Linderoth as first-team regulars . Martinez, meanwhile, while he did make very good signings in his first transfer window, was able to ride the wave that Moyes created, to a certain extent, before things fell apart (namely, his defence) in his second season.

For Koeman to essentially have only two more points (two draws, that stat was before Koeman's 50th game v Atalanta) than Moyes at the same stage of their Everton career, knowing the talent he had in the team (relative to Moyes' team that he inherited) when he took over and the transfer funds he was given to add to that, is damning.

 

[degsy]

But without it, civilisation will crumble.

'Cough

 

[degsy]

Having a go at this play a football manager lark. If koeman can't think of a new team then here's a new one

Pickford
Kenny Keane jagielka Baines (flat back 4)

Schneiderlin OR gueye Davies

Vlasic klassen siggurdson

Any striker except for Rooney


Gives us pressing, solid defence, movement in the middle , a striker for sigg and vlasic to aim for , chsnce for players to overlap on the break and hopefully a little freedom with players not running into each other.

Nice and easy this, and I'm not getting paid 6 million to think it up

and you make some of the same mistakes
TWO Defensive MF's
Siggi on the left.
Klassen is on the pitch

 

[Cork Evertonian]

According to some stats only Theo Kelly Johnny Carey Howard Kendall in his third spell and Mike Walker,boast worst away league records as Everton managers than Ronald Koeman.

 

[Fansince1988]

Leicester apparently are looking for a big name manager, they can have ours. He a big name manager, but in my opinion he's one of the poorest managers I've ever seen, but no disrespect to Leicester but perhaps that's his level.

 

[Fansince1988]

According to some stats only Theo Kelly Johnny Carey Howard Kendall in his third spell and Mike Walker,boast worst away league records as Everton managers than Ronald Koeman.

Face it he is a useless manager, IMO one of the worst I've ever seen. Our football club is boring no excitement and he continues to play the same boring way week in and week out, i just wish our owner were more like other teams the latest being Leicester they don't let the rot set in, ours do.

 

[Fansince1988]

If in 8 days times we are effectively out of Europe and Chelsea knock us out of the League Cup, I'd be very disappointed if he is still manager.

If he can get wins against Chelsea and Lyon, I would be truly amazed as I just don't think he has the no how to get the team up for it. Knowing him he will throw besic in the midfield with Gueye and Snides so he can play a 3 defensive midfield.

 

[Fansince1988]

Just throwing it out there....

Everton have scored 5 League goals all season. In 8 games. In one game, Liverpool scored more goals than we have in the League.

Before anyone goes... "it was only Maribor"... we couldn't beat Apollon either.


So Shove it you Fat Mantitted Tosser, and take you're awful signings with you.

The signings would improve massively if he went, he just doesn't have a club how and where to play them, he's clueless.

 

[Zatara]

Your being disingenuous and selective with your Valencia tale and I bet you know it. There was far more to his failure there than you intimate in your recollections . The club was a basket case before he arrived , problems and egos at board level , over powerful players in the dressing room. One respected commentator described Koeman as 'walking into a vipers nest'.You will also know that he was responsible for bringing a young Mata into the team and in fact both he and Silva still speak highly of him. Interestingly the manager who succeeded him made a point of getting the trouble makers ,who had wilfully undermined Koeman ,out of the club . Undoubtedly Koemans abrasive nature was not best suited to the situation, but it was far from the black and white picture that you so mischievously paint.
You dislike Koeman we all know, but there is plenty of legitimate ammunition to hit him with ,without bending the truth to suit your purpose . Your a very knowledgable person and I have always enjoyed your posts so it saddens me when you resort to this type of character assassination.

Were Valencia touted as being in with a chance to win the league that season / break into the top 2 at least?

Is it widely accepted that Koeman had them on course for relegation before his sacking?

Did the players let it be known they ignored Koemans tactics to win the cup?

The three questions above are of course leading to factual 'yes' responses.


If you want to suggest that Koeman brought Mata through, then you can make the same case for Davies, Kenny, Lookman and DCL with us when we all know he would do anything not to play them but sign and play players (worse or out of form) in ahead of them.

You mention that Koeman fell out with the players and it was a 'vipers nest', could we not say that he fell out with these same players and mistreated them to the extent that some filed cases in court against the club during his tenure? Could we also not also make the same case at Southampton where its believed several players hated him...also even at benfica the players classed him as 'weird'.

Are there not parallels with what some are commenting on his management style even today?

I absolutely detest him, top quality but an evil, arrogant streak as a player and a man wrapped up in his own self importance.

Its a pity such people are so highly rewarded in the world we live in.