Summer Transfer Window 2017

[jonnyboy316]

It's all about finding a balance, we sign a lot of players in the range of 27-29 for example, and the rest are very untested kids like Lookman and DCL etc, then we could be facing a lot of money spent and in two years time a squad with the majority - again - the wrong side of 30 and with the younger players possibly not developing to a high enough standard.

Buying youth is good, but the 'punts' on lower league players has to be balanced by calculated purchases of players just breaking through and on the verge of becoming special players (Dolberg and Tielemans both come into that category)

Pickford is a good start on that front, and whilst we arent gonna be spunking 300m or silly numbers on transfers, we should find a balance of spending on proven players - and spending on those who have the potential of far exceeding those proven players.

For example - for every Rooney type signing - it has to be balanced with a Dolberg, for every Williams - it needs to be balanced by a Keane etc

Agree with what you are saying but there is nothing to be gained from wasting money on Rooney. The only thing proven about Rooney is that he is finished and has been for at least 3 years

 

[Tel001]

Wait until I mention again that the normal Saints fans I know down here are pretty sure he's joining them.

Saints fans are a weird bunch... get most of their info from the echo which is a joke of a paper .. they used to give me stick back in the days of "the dell" becuase saints fans sang better than Everton fans... used to tell them I didn't give a sh ite as we won the game..

 

[kenada_blue]

I don't think Barkley will be with us next season, but that's just my hunch.

And if he was to stay and we go on and buy in the players Koeman wants, where does he fit in? Personally I don't think Koeman trusts Barkley in CM and it shows seen has though Barkley as been shifted out wide to accommodate the midfield 3 we currently play. He got his chance there last weekend due to injuries and what have you and fluffed his chance imo by having a poor game. And it's not just the one game, when he was used more centrally in a more advanced position, the No.10 role you could say in the first part of the season, he was generally poor and Koeman dropped him.

He's ended up wide right of a forward 3 with a free role to roam and done better but is he the long term solution out there? Will he want to play out there for the rest of Koeman' tenure at the club? I can't see it! And I think Koeman will look to bring in a player for down the right, maybe even the left aswell as with Bolasie out injured, Lookman still raw and Mirallas way too inconsistent, were a bit weak down there imo.

And we've all seen Koeman say he wants a midfielder with 8-12 goals in him a season and other attacking additions to take some of the goal scoring burden away as our current attacking players aren't contributing enough so where does or where will Barkley fit in?

I'm honestly not sure where he does?! As a CM he's not better than any of Schneiderlin, Gueye or Davies in what they bring in a Koeman system. Koeman wants a goalscoring CM and he's not that. And he's not a natural wide player and when he plays there he wants to always come inside and we lack width out on the right which I think in the long term Koeman won't want and Koeman will want attacking players that get in the box more and offer more of a goal threat and Barkley doesn't offer that enough either so I personally struggle to see where he would fit in next season IF Koeman gets in the players that he wants?!....

If we've got any chance of aiming for a top 4, we can't play with 3 defensive midfielders. So one of Davies, Morgan, Gana will be dropped IMO.

I think Sigurdson for could easily play in that CM role with Ross in that outside attacking 3. They both can alternate and would complement each other.

In terms of goals, the other way of looking at it is none of our attacking players bar Lukaku can score. Mirallas, Valencia, Bolasie, DCL etc. That area is the most weak with the defence.

Personally, one creative addition to the midfield is needed if we keep Ross. He's not the problem.

The rest of the money is drastically needed for the back 4, keeper, and forward line.

 

[Eggs]

Loads used to question Milik when he did well at Ajax, could he do it in a better league against a better standard of player and before his injury he was on fire at Napoli! And Dolberg looks to have more about him and to his game than Milik.

Gonna be some player is Dolberg. I said ages ago, maybe not on here but IF Lukaku was to leave this summer, I'd be more than happy to take Rooney back plus Dolberg and another striker! Think we would have a good mix then, the experience of Rooney, youthfulness of Dolberg and then maybe a target man type CF but another, like Rooney, that Dolberg could learn from.

...yep.

 

[LocalNative]

Using Paul Pogba as a guide, roughly where would you value Harry Kane?

That for me is the question that, time and again, sees me value Lukaku at £80m+

It doesn't work like that. Teams don't start negotiations and go 'Right, er, So Pogba cost £90m, so Kane will cost you about £120m cause we think he's far better than Pogba.'

How can you honestly value him at over £80m? I love Rom and don't want him to leave but don't think he's worth anything over £70m tbh.

 

[Carlito]

So David Silva is still a beast, killing palace right now, pep wants him gone and this is the type of signing that would keep rom...

Realistic or fantasy?

Be still, my beating heart.

 

[Tree13]

It doesn't work like that. Teams don't start negotiations and go 'Right, er, So Pogba cost £90m, so Kane will cost you about £120m cause we think he's far better than Pogba.'

How can you honestly value him at over £80m? I love Rom and don't want him to leave but don't think he's worth anything over £70m tbh.

Market value is exactly that: value set by the market. Other recent transfers factor into that, other transfer bids factor into that.

I base my valuation of Lukaku in part on the valuation of other players close to his age and level, with a greater weighting towards those who play in a similar position. Spurs wouldn't let Kane go for less than £80m IMHO, and I rate Lukaku as the better player.

Let me turn it around: why DON'T you think he's worth the extra £10m?

 

[EFCccc]

Market value is exactly that: value set by the market. Other recent transfers factor into that, other transfer bids factor into that.

I base my valuation of Lukaku in part on the valuation of other players close to his age and level, with a greater weighting towards those who play in a similar position. Spurs wouldn't let Kane go for less than £80m IMHO, and I rate Lukaku as the better player.

Let me turn it around: why DON'T you think he's worth the extra £10m?

Pogba is a world class player that has big value across the world. Shirt sales, merchandise ect.. thats why his fee was huge. Lukaku wouldnt sell sh** across the world.

 

[Tree13]

If we've got any chance of aiming for a top 4, we can't play with 3 defensive midfielders. So one of Davies, Morgan, Gana will be dropped IMO.

I think Sigurdson for could easily play in that CM role with Ross in that outside attacking 3. They both can alternate and would complement each other.

In terms of goals, the other way of looking at it is none of our attacking players bar Lukaku can score. Mirallas, Valencia, Bolasie, DCL etc. That area is the most weak with the defence.

Personally, one creative addition to the midfield is needed if we keep Ross. He's not the problem.

The rest of the money is drastically needed for the back 4, keeper, and forward line.

None of those three are restricted to JUST playing as defensive midfielders though - all three have the pace to play as box-to-box types AND are positionally and technically sound when playing more defensively. That's the main reason why they are all preferred over Barry and McCarthy.

Sigurdsson would be totally wasted as a CM imho. He is far more effective as either the 10 or the LW in a 4231.

You're quite right about the lack of goals from any striker not called Lukaku, the need for more creativity and our obvious keeper issue.

 

[Tree13]

Pogba is a world class player that has big value across the world. Shirt sales, merchandise ect.. thats why his fee was huge. Lukaku wouldnt sell sh** across the world.

LOL. You reckon Chelsea / Utd / Arsenal would struggle to sell shirts with Lukaku's name on them? Ok mate.

 

[nsno-chris]

Gylfi proving that he's just a deadball specialist and nothing else.

Pyar crap

 

[mkrudden]

Loads used to question Milik when he did well at Ajax, could he do it in a better league against a better standard of player and before his injury he was on fire at Napoli! And Dolberg looks to have more about him and to his game than Milik.

Gonna be some player is Dolberg. I said ages ago, maybe not on here but IF Lukaku was to leave this summer, I'd be more than happy to take Rooney back plus Dolberg and another striker! Think we would have a good mix then, the experience of Rooney, youthfulness of Dolberg and then maybe a target man type CF but another, like Rooney, that Dolberg could learn from.

For every Milik though there is a Vincent Janssen.

 

[kenada_blue]

None of those three are restricted to JUST playing as defensive midfielders though - all three have the pace to play as box-to-box types AND are positionally and technically sound when playing more defensively. That's the main reason why they are all preferred over Barry and McCarthy.

Sigurdsson would be totally wasted as a CM imho. He is far more effective as either the 10 or the LW in a 4231.

You're quite right about the lack of goals from any striker not called Lukaku, the need for more creativity and our obvious keeper issue.

But you don't need 3 of them as they don't score and don't create hence why you need a CM what can take the ball and link play, but also get goals. You'll struggle to find a team in the top 4 that has more than 2 DMs.

And Sigurdsson as a CM he'd work well in that at as he's very adaptable and can interchange with forward players like Barkley. Its about fluidity with the midfield and attack that we don't have.

 

[Jags..class]

Gylfi proving that he's just a deadball specialist and nothing else.

Pyar crap

He as excellent against man u last week tbf

 

[nsno-chris]

He as excellent against man u last week tbf

Think he's totally over rated, found his level at struggling PL club were he can have the odd good game. Literally done nothing against us and we've been utter garbage