Ronald Koeman discussion

[ianefc]

Brilliant: and on both occasions we got snotted.

We weren't snotted today. The stats prove that at 2-1 we were on top, we were doing all the pressing, then out of nowhere Holgate gave the ball away and Robles did a Tim Howard. What can you do? The last 25 were horrendous though, we created little then.

 

[davek]

We weren't snorted today. The stats prove that at 2-1 we were on top, we were doing all the pressing, then out of nowhere Holgate gave the call away and Robles did a Tim Howard. What can you do? The last 25 were horrendous though, we created little then.

Dear me.

 

[Thomasc]

We weren't snotted today. The stats prove that at 2-1 we were on top, we were doing all the pressing, then out of nowhere Holgate gave the ball away and Robles did a Tim Howard. What can you do? The last 25 were horrendous though, we created little then.

Mate, we were gash pretty much from start to finish.

Bit better than the last performance there granted, but lets not use that as a yardstick!

 

[LAToffee]

We weren't snotted today. The stats prove that at 2-1 we were on top, we were doing all the pressing, then out of nowhere Holgate gave the ball away and Robles did a Tim Howard. What can you do? The last 25 were horrendous though, we created little then.

Come on Ian. We were snotted and they will never have an easier fixture. They hardly had to get out of second gear. Let's call it as it is.

 

[Kenshin]

I understand your point but those that were let go were/are not good enough. Not one of them would have played today. Not one of them would have displaced someone on the bench today except maybe Geri for Kone.

Aye and I'm not clamouring for any of them to be back! Haha

I just mean it in the sense that you let a load of the experienced squad go and eventually you get to a point like today. Same as if you let your best players go, you expects relegation battle afterwards.

The squad come September will probably be stronger for the clearout in the first place, but rather than dwell on the game today, ehichhad many negative points to draw from, to try and dampen the blow I am looking at it from this perspective instead.

I mean tactically we didn't look at it with the huge wholesale changes and on the large we weren't playing the players to do the job as such. There was no real oressing, the middle didn't have any fight and there was no creativity. The old players probably couldn't have offered that either so as I mentioned I am not singling out any of the young players today, especially when Davies I thought played well in a poor team.

 

[ianefc]

I get that part it was the bit where he was said we played the way we like which was nonsense. We were a complete mess. Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

When we win he's often aired his views about him being less than satisfied. On this occasion, when he hasn't much scope for squad rotation and a game coming up in 72 hours he'd be an idiot to call them out.

Also all the journos that cover Merseyside football have latched onto this. Dominic King has already done an opinion piece. He's taken the spotlight off the woefulness of the individuals today. He's basically taken one for the team.

 

[ianefc]

Come on Ian. We were snotted and they will never have an easier fixture. They hardly had to get out of second gear. Let's call it as it is.

It's all about opinions. That's honestly how I saw it. We've witnessed 3 worse performances there in recent years.

 

[mkrudden]

We weren't snotted today. The stats prove that at 2-1 we were on top, we were doing all the pressing, then out of nowhere Holgate gave the ball away and Robles did a Tim Howard. What can you do? The last 25 were horrendous though, we created little then.

We were outclassed Ian, let it go mate.

 

[ianefc]

Come on Ian. We were snotted and they will never have an easier fixture. They hardly had to get out of second gear. Let's call it as it is.

Also, I've not watched it again, I've not had biased commentary have an influence on me, I was at the game and I'm calling it how I saw it, I had not idea of the match stats until MG posted them recently, they back my thoughts up.

 

[maccavennie]

We were annihilated there today. 3-1 flattered us. And unlike last season's Anfield derby we had 11 men on the pitch.

annihilated? at half time you said it would finish 3-3 and to bookmark it.

 

[NorthernBlue]

When we win he's often aired his views about him being less than satisfied. On this occasion, when he hasn't much scope for squad rotation and a game coming up in 72 hours he'd be an idiot to call them out.

Also all the journos that cover Merseyside football have latched onto this. Dominic King has already done an opinion piece. He's taken the spotlight off the woefulness of the individuals today. He's basically taken one for the team.

Well that could be true I guess. I actually think the fault lies with Koeman today on the whole. His options may have been limited but he got the team selection, tactics and formation woefully wrong today. Not a hanging offence but he's done it twice now during our good run and we got spanked both times (both score lines flattered us)

 

[LAToffee]

It's all about opinions. That's honestly how I saw it. We've witnessed 3 worse performances there in recent years.

But as others have said, that cannot be a yardstick. We were humiliated last year and well beaten today. And cumulatively we are a laughing stoke against them and Koeman has done nothing to reverse this. Two losses. That's a poor record against them. I am happy with the progress under Koeman, but let's acknowledge when he gets it wrong.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's all about opinions. That's honestly how I saw it. We've witnessed 3 worse performances there in recent years.

Still not good enough and comparing it with last year's horror show is pointless. I wouldn't be defending it by any means. It's a horrendous and embarassing record for us and this hurts me to say it, but it's hard to defend our status as a big team when we can't even get motivated and compete in our local derby. Something has to change fast.

 

[davek]

annihilated? at half time you said it would finish 3-3 and to bookmark it.

Yes, because I thought we'd solve a few problems and that Lukaku has a goal or two in him.

 

[TommyDavo]

Also, I've not watched it again, I've not had biased commentary have an influence on me, I was at the game and I'm calling it how I saw it, I had not idea of the match stats until MG posted them recently, they back my thoughts up.

We had no threat and a lad in defence who didn't know if it was Christmas or Easter. Absolutely poor I'm afraid, but still only 3 points.