What would be seen as a successful season?

[Barnfred 55]

It's a challenge that he's making sound like a mountain to climb, thats why I said it was BS. It used to be cracking the top4 then top5 now top6...where is this 'exclusive' club heading to? It's a fig leaf to cover for the inadequacies of teams outside the financial elite to demolish it on a regular basis. 5 out of the last 10 seasons we've got top 6 or better. Why are we saying that's a bigger challenge than it is exactly?

For the simple reason that, during those 10 years, 2 teams, City and Spurs, have left us behind. Both on and off the field. No argument in that. During the 7 seasons since then we've finished 6th or better twice. But that's what we need to aim for next year and if we don't improve on 7th it won't be a success. I think we both agree on that. Don't we?

But that doesn't mean that it still isn't a big challenge.

 

[Eggs]

my point was , you said it was highly unlikely to get in the EL an I said it wasn't, but you are correct our season isn't based on Utd winning but it helps make it more successful

...as far as EL qualification goes our performance benchmark has to be top 6 which I think is unlikely. That is why I said two of those targets are already virtually out of reach, although we could get in via the back door.

 

[bluestevon]

When we got 5th a few seasons back: Liverpool, United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs were all better resourced than we were. Even under the last few seasons under Moyes when he consistently averaged 6th that was the case.

There hasn't been a situation for a long time that we weren't worse off resource wise than about 6 teams. Even before City emerged or Spurs there was Newcastle throwing tens of millions at it. And bear in mind that Koeman will get a better crack of the whip than either Moyes or Martinez had finacially speaking.

No mate, there can be no happy acceptance after this season of the best of the rest pat on the head.

And of those mentioned 4 finished above us, the two we finished above where managed by moyes post Ferguson and Sherwood mate.

Poch and mourinho now.

 

[MrGrumpy]

When we got 5th a few seasons back: Liverpool, United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs were all better resourced than we were. Even under the last few seasons under Moyes when he consistently averaged 6th that was the case.

There hasn't been a situation for a long time that we weren't worse off resource wise than about 6 teams. Even before City emerged or Spurs there was Newcastle throwing tens of millions at it. And bear in mind that Koeman will get a better crack of the whip than either Moyes or Martinez had finacially speaking.

No mate, there can be no happy acceptance after this season of the best of the rest pat on the head.

Sorry Dave but your chatting complete Wham. We haven't won a thing in 22 years we haven't won the league in 30 years we have been top 4 once in the last 15 years. All 6 times above us have been in the CL group stages, 3 of them have won it and 4 of the 6 have won the Prem league more then once. They all have bigger finances, better commercials deals, have or soon to have bigger stadiums then us.
Their wages bills are miles higher then ours and have spent probably 10 times what we have, yet you think our spending of 72 mil should instantly make us top 4 inside to seasons or Koeman a failure is utter garbage, Utd Chelsea and Man City have spent over 1bil between them in the last 5-6 years.

While all these teams have improved we stood still, in fact we've gone backwards. It's gonna take a lot more then 2 TW and 72 mil to close the gap. The entire club needs rebuilding from the ground up. Morishri has started with USM FF but i think its going to take 5 years till we are on par and completing with the top 6 off the field. On the field we need to improve as a squad and a team and that's going to take a hell of a lot more money.

We were close with Moyes and very close with Martinez, the problem was most of Martinez signing didn't improve us on the field or the squad and in this day and age a few wrong signing and you drop 3-4 places. Not to mention the waste of money.

Every signing Koeman has made has improved the squad and 1st team so far.

 

[Groucho]

It's all relative. It depends if by 'successful' we mean, acceptable for the club. NSNO by definition means top of the league. But in the real world?

At the start of the 04-05 season, 4th was successful. This season after two consecutive lower half finishes the EL will be decent.

At the start of next season I hope we're aiming for 4th at least, if not higher.

However I believe that Everton in general should be aiming for the very top.

 

[Arteta2391]

qualifying for Europe and finishing above 5th

 

[bluestevon]

It's all relative. It depends if by 'successful' we mean, acceptable for the club. NSNO by definition means top of the league. But in the real world?

At the start of the 04-05 season, 4th was successful. This season after two consecutive lower half finishes the EL will be decent.

At the start of next season I hope we're aiming for 4th at least, if not higher.

However I believe that Everton in general should be aiming for the very top.

Big nev has the right mentality. Reality dictates that unless a seismic change happens it's gonna be nigh on impossible to achieve it off and even once achieved doubly difficult to maintain, but it should always be the starting goal going into a season.

Honestly though it will take an Usmanov to make it a realistic goal the way modern footy is.

 

[roydo]

Maybe I am weird, but I dont get all spannered about what "success" is, or should be.

I am just happy enjoying looking forward to the games, enjoying the new side emerging, LOVING seeing some ace young lads following Ross into the first team.

Proud of our club. Happy days ahead most likely.

That "Successful"? Making a Blue happy? Reckon its better than Ok.

 

[CynicalBlue]

It's all relative. It depends if by 'successful' we mean, acceptable for the club. NSNO by definition means top of the league. But in the real world?

At the start of the 04-05 season, 4th was successful. This season after two consecutive lower half finishes the EL will be decent.

At the start of next season I hope we're aiming for 4th at least, if not higher.

However I believe that Everton in general should be aiming for the very top.

I completely concur, but realistically 7th and a europa league spot is a success in Koeman/Moshiris first full season.

That said, if there is no title attack in the next 2/3 seasons then it's all in vain.

 

[Martino Robertez]

Same as every season, Europe or nearly Europe as late as possible.

 

[rochdaleblue]

It makes a refreshing change again to be looking forward to games again. The introduction of youth has revitalised not only the team but also the crowd. A realistic target is to consolidate and then build on the momentum of the last two months, if that gets us Europe great, however nevertheless it should give us renewed optimism moving forward.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

How does that one work mate? Sorry I'm struggling with that one please explain ta fam x

Yeah, the barely a billionaire comment is just absurd. What does that mean? He's worth $2.4B. That's plenty of cash. With FFP, what matters is how good of a businessman he is, and whether or not he can pick the correct club leadership.

 

[davek]

And of those mentioned 4 finished above us, the two we finished above where managed by moyes post Ferguson and Sherwood mate.

Poch and mourinho now.

Oh, well that totally changes things then. ONLY finishing way ahead of the English champions on a record number of PL points. What a disappointing season eh? I look forward to us next season making a real fist of it and racking up 80 points and top 4.

 

[COYBL25]

Oh, well that totally changes things then. ONLY finishing way ahead of the English champions on a record number of PL points. What a disappointing season eh? I look forward to us next season making a real fist of it and racking up 80 points and top 4.

Hello darkness my old friend ............

 

[bluestevon]

Oh, well that totally changes things then. ONLY finishing way ahead of the English champions on a record number of PL points. What a disappointing season eh? I look forward to us next season making a real fist of it and racking up 80 points and top 4.

Yes we finished ahead of the English champions who the previous season where managed by the arguably the greatest manager the game had seen and who where managed by David Moyes that season mate. Then again we could delve into the vaults to see how you rated moyes at United...

You think for one second we'd have finished ahead of them if Ferguson would have still been there?

Quite where the rant about 80 points and top 4 came from I dunno.

If you honestly cannot see that the top 6 right now with the managers they all have are a much stronger proposition to crack than 3 years back then your blind mate,

Slavish devotion to someone who won nothing, tool the team backwards ten years by the time he got sacked and who left the incoming manager with a utter mess to sort out, just because for one season we played exciting footy, worst home record for how many years was it Dave? That alone is an utter embarrassing record to hold isn't it? Or did you enjoy every single team rocking up at goodison fully expecting to get a win last season?