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The way I read it is that he's impressed lately but in the summer he'd be willing to sell him. Guess it's dependent on his fitness record.
davek
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Big club though. RK didn't respect it and got his arse kicked.
Lesson to be learned there I reckon....
Ah, well. We disagree. He (baines) needs replacing in time, but due to age more than application or quality (in my opinion obviously). And not a top priority in the immediate future, for me.
But this is a different point Dave. My point was about him shipping out those who don't fit the bill. You don't seem to like his bluntness about it. I don't really care.
Whether you agree with who he's shipping out, and who he's keeping in is a separate issue.
Efcjake
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He's having a go to try and get a reaction, rightly or wrongly at least Koeman acknowledges we are not good enough and takes some action rather than telling us we're actually doing phenomenal and continuing to do the same thing week after week.
I'd rather see him trying to remind players of the expectations we have for them than pretending everything is rosy or that we're punching above our weight really. Sack all that off. We want the team to win things, Koeman wants the team to win things, the players need to be aware that's the level we're aiming for and if they're not working hard enough to achieve that in the manager's eyes then he should be telling them rather than allowing them to get comfortable and see their standards drop. He knows what it takes to win things because he's won them as manager and player.
It's called continuous improvement, even if we were topping the league I wouldn't want us to stop trying to improve. It's practically the club's motto.
Efcjake
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I wouldn't say he can't defend. He's definitely suffered in his position from losing that bit of pace as he ages and he'll always be coming up against quicker players from now on but I still think he is an alright defender.
Efcjake
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Let me ask you this then.
You'd have him over Ovideo as a back-up wouldn't you? Maybe he brings someone in to take over in the summer and Oviedo gets moved on. Baines isn't someone that I'd worry about if I saw his name on the team sheet.
Efcjake
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McCarthy will win him over and maybe keep us squad place because he'll run around doing pressing all day. The problem is when he's on the ball we do nothing with it and he slows down the game. He's done enough to stay until the summer for Koeman. Which is promising for Besic if he ever stays fit because he will press even harder than McCarthy and he's better on the ball.
Ashtonian
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No koeman doesn't get everton.
He doesn't get the jobs for the boys mentality in the team.
He doesn't get the fact success isn't really important these days
He doesn't get signing budget players and hoping for the best is the way to go.
He doesn't get the idea managers can do whatever they want and accept whatever is dumped on them.
And he doesn't get the idea that the board can do whatever they want and he can just accept it.
So no, koeman doesn't get this club. How about he wants to change it? Get the board pulling their fingers out in the market, get the players playing for their shirt and not just turn up for their wages/place in the team. How about he wants to change the frame of mind of the players, where he won't accept the same performances every week and demand more from them? And if you don't you are out?
He doesn't get the jobs for the boys mentality in the team.
He doesn't get the fact success isn't really important these days
He doesn't get signing budget players and hoping for the best is the way to go.
He doesn't get the idea managers can do whatever they want and accept whatever is dumped on them.
And he doesn't get the idea that the board can do whatever they want and he can just accept it.
So no, koeman doesn't get this club. How about he wants to change it? Get the board pulling their fingers out in the market, get the players playing for their shirt and not just turn up for their wages/place in the team. How about he wants to change the frame of mind of the players, where he won't accept the same performances every week and demand more from them? And if you don't you are out?
like it or not it's about time someone came in put a bomb under us, enough of being told we are a "nice" club and people in senior positions like Kenwright and Martinez waxing lyrical about average players and pie in the sky pipedreams, i want us to be ruthless and horrible in order to win and if that means telling players that its time to go, good, Koeman is clearly ruthless as is Moshiri, love the work we do in the community and i have no doubt that will continue, however the message is clear to everyone connected with EFC, shape up or you are done, and I am loving it. If you don't like it @davek the answer is easy
Unless Besic can stay fit I doubt Koeman will give him the time. I've never been fully convinced by him truth be told but he has played well at times. McCarthy has gotten a bit of a raw deal I think.
He is totally solid, if unspectacular, which is a vital cog in the right system. Gana is the big threat to him obviously but I wouldnt dismiss him just yet. He was the best player on the pitch for 40 mins in the derby.
He is totally solid, if unspectacular, which is a vital cog in the right system. Gana is the big threat to him obviously but I wouldnt dismiss him just yet. He was the best player on the pitch for 40 mins in the derby.
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg
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Noticed more and more open talk about a progressive project. Both the new signings have mentioned it and Schneiderlin mentioned Koeman discussing it. I like this public exposure of it, it puts the pressure on to achieve it.
None of this 'I'll get you into the Champions League' and never hear of any sort of aspirations again. You could tell it was a whimsical promise back then, and one Martinez wouldn't have wanted aired to the public.
Now there's a clear target with a plan - Champions League football in 3/4 years time. Everyone at the club is accountable to that aspiration and it's good to see personnel, including the manager, upping the ante and not shying away from it publicly. It's ballsy but it's the kind of desire I like to see.
None of this 'I'll get you into the Champions League' and never hear of any sort of aspirations again. You could tell it was a whimsical promise back then, and one Martinez wouldn't have wanted aired to the public.
Now there's a clear target with a plan - Champions League football in 3/4 years time. Everyone at the club is accountable to that aspiration and it's good to see personnel, including the manager, upping the ante and not shying away from it publicly. It's ballsy but it's the kind of desire I like to see.
Evertonized
Player Valuation: £1m
Delighted that Koeman isn't giving the bad players a chance to waste 6 more months. It's a bit harsh, but it just shows how 'easy' some players were taking life at Everton - the fact he's admitted some haven't even bothered to train properly under him says everything about Martinez.
When you look at some of Martinez's signings under Everton, I suppose we are very lucky that the board acted fast and didn't give him another year. The majority of the first 11 are still Moyes signings which says a lot.
Good - McCarthy, Lukaku, Barry
Average - Deulofeu, Lennon, Robles, Besic
Poor - Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Eto
Just hoping that Koeman makes good progress and gets the changes needed over the January and Summer transfer windows, in time for August.
When you look at some of Martinez's signings under Everton, I suppose we are very lucky that the board acted fast and didn't give him another year. The majority of the first 11 are still Moyes signings which says a lot.
Good - McCarthy, Lukaku, Barry
Average - Deulofeu, Lennon, Robles, Besic
Poor - Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Eto
Just hoping that Koeman makes good progress and gets the changes needed over the January and Summer transfer windows, in time for August.
MikeH72
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