Ronald Koeman discussion

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Moomin said:
The days of managers getting three seasons is from a previous generation, he'll get six months at most.

Even now, people have turned against Koeman.

Patience is not common in today's support, they want blood.
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Now this is something I agree with you on, apart from the 6 months at most.
He will get minimum 10-12 games into next season, then we should judge him on his capabilities
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
Having a squad of 'internationals' is no guarantee of success. Like club football some players gain caps not through being the best but by being the best suited to do the task the manager requires for the team. Conversely some outstanding players never gain caps for the same reason. It is a question of building a team best equipped to implement the coaches style of play. Koeman has just begun,it will take time. Traditionally ,barring disaster, a manager is allowed 3 seasons to get it right, Koeman is'nt even half way through his first. Some patience is required something you appear,at present,to signally lack.
Your view of defending seems deliberately naive. Defending is what the team does when not in possession, not just the back four. Successful clubs defend well as a whole team. In that regard we have definitely,in my opinion, improved.
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A definite improvement? Not really. After 12 games last season we'd conceded just two more than this season when we're apparently 'defensively improved'. It's a mirage.

As for patience - or the lack of it: dont mistake making ongoing valid criticisms as others wanting the manager to fail or indeed leave. I've stated umpteen times that the man is fireproof regardless of what happens this season. He gets a free pass on that. What he doesn't get a free pass on is any claims we're moving forward when we're not, and any daft comments about this club and its status.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Facts.
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Well, unless kev is about 10 years old (which i doubt very much) then his comment that "the team of last year and the year before was the worst I had ever seen." is just empty rhetoric passing as fact. Because we all know that the Martinez team of even last season (a season we were within an ace of two domestic cup finals) does NOT fall into that category.

Martinez was the best attack minded coach we've had at this club for decades.
 

davek said:
Well, unless kev is about 10 years old (which i doubt very much) then his comment that "the team of last year and the year before was the worst I had ever seen." is just empty rhetoric passing as fact. Because we all know that the Martinez team of even last season (a season we were within an ace of two domestic cup finals) does NOT fall into that category.

Martinez was the best attack minded coach we've had at this club for decades.
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That I tend to agree with. Problem is he should never have been a manager.
 
davek said:
I cant take to him. He's as cold as a witches tit.

If he turns this and gets us trophies I wont give a flying one like. But for me he's not an Everton man.
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Thought it was flat as a witches tit. But much the same.

I know what you mean though. Hired hand, which if he delivers, couldnt care less.
 
willo30 said:
That I tend to agree with. Problem is he should never have been a manager.
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Disagree. He's been a good manager before he came to us at a lower level of expectation in club football terms, and I believe he'll be a very good international boss. Not a great manager for us, though, and that's because he relied on players to do the right thing and play the way he wanted and discipline themselves the way he wanted. You cant do that at this level in this league. Managers have to rule with an iron fist in the PL imo. That doesn't, btw, mean that you do it in public. But you do it behind closed doors and you make sure the players know they cant take the piss. I thought RM would have done that at the end of his first season here: either wield the axe on Moyes' old players or start disciplining them. When Mirallas was allowed to take the piss with that pen I feared the jig was up if he couldn't snatch a trophy in his time remaining at the club.
 
davek said:
Disagree. He's been a good manager before he came to us at a lower level of expectation in club football terms, and I believe he'll be a very good international boss. Not a great manager for us, though, and that's because he relied on players to do the right thing and play the way he wanted and discipline themselves the way he wanted. You cant do that at this level in this league. Managers have to rule with an iron fist in the PL imo. That doesn't, btw, mean that you do it in public. But you do it behind closed doors and you make sure the players know they cant take the piss. I thought RM would have done that at the end of his first season here: either wield the axe on Moyes' old players or start disciplining them. When Mirallas was allowed to take the piss with that pen I feared the jig was up if he couldn't snatch a trophy in his time remaining at the club.
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International management and Bobby go hand in hand. It's tailor made for him. He has no input in their fitness and he gets 22 players turning up wanting to play. He has the tactics to win games. It's totally different to running a club our size though which I feel he was out of his depth with.
 

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