Everton: we look an unhappy camp

[evertony]

It's quite simple. We have zero winning mentality in the squad. Every big game for the last 20 years we've not come out on top. There has to be a sea-change in mentality and sentiment. The management have to make bold statements and move on those who can't change their mindset or up their game. Unfortunately that's a huge chunk of this squad and as a result it will take several transfer windows to bring about siesemic change.

Move on the players who are comfortable. Move on the established old guard. Move on any agitators. And move on those who simply don't have the stomach for a fight. You can carry a couple of luxuries like Delefeou and Barkley if you have strength, ability, desire and commitment around them. I only see Gana and Coleman and possibly Williams from yesterday's eleven who consistently have all those ingredients.

 

[davek]

This wouldn't happen if Roberto was still in charge. Oh..hang on.....

He's gone mate. Six months in charge Koeman. Focus on him and these players.

 

[neil999]

Hmmm...we are 2 points better of than last season, but then you telling people not to panic..so why panic now?

 

[PhilM]

@davek what bait shop would you recommend at this time of year?

 

[ianefc]

No it's not. It's quite specific as a logical periodic assessment of the season thus far.

Dont like it? please dont post, allow others to.

Nope, I'll continue to post my opinion. I've had your number on Koeman from day 1.

This was you on 20th September. Couldn't wait to get going. Yet you backed Martinez for the past 24months

Pack it in.

 

[ianefc]

Hmmm...we are 2 points better of than last season, but then you telling people not to panic..so why panic now?

@davek

 

[The Esk]

I'm pretty certain Koeman is being told Lukaku and Barkley represent his spending power for the foreseeable.

Where's the evidence for that Dave? Conjecture or evidence based?

 

[davek]

It's quite simple. We have zero winning mentality in the squad. Every big game for the last 20 years we've not come out on top. There has to be a sea-change in mentality and sentiment. The management have to make bold statements and move on those who can't change their mindset or up their game. Unfortunately that's a huge chunk of this squad and as a result it will take several transfer windows to bring about siesemic change.

Move on the players who are comfortable. Move on the established old guard. Move on any agitators. And move on those who simply don't have the stomach for a fight. You can carry a couple of luxuries like Delefeou and Barkley if you have strength, ability, desire and commitment around them. I only see Gana and Coleman and possibly Williams from yesterday's eleven who consistently have all those ingredients.

I said at the beginning of the season: shift Baines and Jagielka and Mirallas out asap or they'll drag the whole thing down with them. They are on a par with Osman and Hibbert as players who represent all that's wrong at the club attitude wise and increasingly ability wise. Koeman though placed massive faith in them and thought he was being very clever from a political point of view to keep them onside. Well he is learning now big time that he's miscalculated.

 

[Dymak]

January is going to be massive. We were very unfortunate that our world record breaking bid for a defender was not accepted during the summer, but similar massive bids will be made in January, I am sure.

 

[ianefc]

Hmmm...we are 2 points better of than last season, but then you telling people not to panic..so why panic now?

Because blokes have pride I suppose and being so so wrong on Martinez really hurt his pride. So now he's gunning for Koeman. Despite as you say is being 2 points better off after 12 games then last season and he was raving about our start last time out.

 

[The Esk]

You'd of never started a thread like this last season you utter fraud.

In fact last season after 12 games we'd lost as many and won 1 less.

Less of the name calling please. It's possible to have totally opposing views without name calling. Thanks

 

[Ernie]

A solitary win since September 17th. Manager looking less than a great fit, personality wise, and making a lot of off the cuff comments. A team now looking like it's lost the plot.

I look across the first team and bench and see cause for concern: a GK who knows he's under scrutiny; a captain who looks like he's lost discipline on and off the pitch; the ongoing festering boil that is the McCarthy situation; Lukaku making it known he's relieved on international duty to be playing with players up and around him; Mirallas and Deulofeu looking like they are bit part players and heading for the door; Barkley finding himself the unwanted centre of attention and target for the media.

The team have been questioned again this week about their intensity by Koeman - who also let slip midweek he hoped for four replacements for them in January. Next up is a tough grudge match away to S'ton whose players will be fired up and then 5 tough games on the spin after that culminating on Boxing Day away to Leicester. I cant see the type of fight here with this team that we could envisage picking up more than 5 points. The lack of reaction after the Chelsea mauling was shocking, and that's the best chance we'll have of nailed on three points out the window for some time to come. I hope in private they're sorting this out and that the manager is accepting that he too needs to up his game, because that dressing room can be pretty volatile. Once its lost it's lost for good. They dont do it in public, they make the anodyne comments - all the right noises about doing their 'level best' and 'dont know where it's going wrong' etc, but they know how to 'work to rule' and slip into a crisis mode very quickly.

This upcoming Southampton game will be enormous IMO.

Lots of good points here

There is nothing to suggest after 12 games we look anywhere near good enough to string a run together and the upcoming games make for grim reading, Like you have said, Swansea at home is as easy as it gets and we struggled to a late draw, Just as we faulted against Bournemouth and Burnley

Have a feeling a lot of the players are already sick of Koeman, You only have to look at his track record with upsetting players to see he's a very poor man manager, They look uninterested and hardly any of them are putting in a shift

 

[davek]

Where's the evidence for that Dave? Conjecture or evidence based?

If it was fact based I'd proffer it. I'm making that as an assessment of how things always play out here - Moshiri or no Moshiri. Our net spend will remain low in his period as owner.

 

[ianefc]

I said at the beginning of the season: shift Baines and Jagielka and Mirallas out asap or they'll drag the whole thing down with them. They are on a par with Osman and Hibbert as players who represent all that's wrong at the club attitude wise and increasingly ability wise. Koeman though placed massive faith in them and thought he was being very clever from a political point of view to keep them onside. Well he is learning now big time that he's miscalculated.

And it's that easy to just chop and change 60% of the starting xi is it?

The last two teams who tried that sort of revolution in a oner were Spurs and Liverpool. Both had terrible seasons both parted company with the manager who oversaw it Scabby lips and AVB.


You have no idea.

 

[ianefc]

If it was fact based I'd proffer it. I'm making that as an assessment of how things always play out here - Moshiri or no Moshiri. Our net spend will remain low in his period as owner.

How do you know?