Ross Barkley

[MartyMcFly]

Sep 30
Everton FC ‏@evertongoals
Ross Barkley First Half Passes 29
Completed 97%
Att 3rd Passes 13/13
Ball Recoveries 5
Chances Created 5
Still criticised

#EFC #Everton

He was really good in the first half. He seemed to tire in the 2nd and was rightly subbed.

A bit like the team that in general he can't string 2 halves together.

I still think he's a good player. I just think he also has weaknesses and perhaps would be better further back.

 

[roydo]

It seems Ross Barkley isnt perfect then.

Shocking.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

That's the point Stan, people can look at stats in many ways, in the end it's what they think, the impression they get from watching the game. If they watch it and don't like what they see they will make comment accordingly.

I agree that stats do not tell the full story, but it is a fact that that Ross made 29 passes and I was at the game too and I can assure you that nowhere near all of them were sideways.
It's one thing to interpret stats but quite another to make up facts that are not facts.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

He was really good in the first half. He seemed to tire in the 2nd and was rightly subbed.

A bit like the team that in general he can't string 2 halves together.

I still think he's a good player. I just think he also has weaknesses and perhaps would be better further back.

Marty, I'm delighted to substantially agree with you!
Like many others, I'm still not sure exactly where his best position is.

 

[bazzer25]

I agree that stats do not tell the full story, but it is a fact that that Ross made 29 passes and I was at the game too and I can assure you that nowhere near all of them were sideways.
It's one thing to interpret stats but quite another to make up facts that are not facts.

OK Stan, but that's what I was trying to make a point of and how people will interpret what they see. I was actually giving an example of how passes could be interpreted one way and then another. Just stating certain facts does'nt always paint a clear picture. A person could also make the same response to you by the way if they saw things differently.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

That's the point Stan, people can look at stats in many ways, in the end it's what they think, the impression they get from watching the game. If they watch it and don't like what they see they will make comment accordingly.

I agree that stats don't tell the full story, but that doesn't mean you can just invent facts like "All 29 of the passes were sideways". They weren't.
Interpret stats by all means, but don't state something as a fact when it isn't because it doesn't fit your point of view.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I thought he would be good for them. I suspect he was going through the motions for Newcastle unless it was a big game.

But we're ok we've got cleverley as an option out wide

 

[bazzer25]

He was really good in the first half. He seemed to tire in the 2nd and was rightly subbed.

A bit like the team that in general he can't string 2 halves together.

I still think he's a good player. I just think he also has weaknesses and perhaps would be better further back.

I agree it was a much better first half, my problem with him being further back are some of his weaknesses could be further exposed. I don't think he is great at tracking back and I would call his tackling into question at times. Talking of the 2nd half and his tackling there was one tackle he made that was excellent and I was left saying "See Ross you can do it lad..!". I'm up for anything if it bring out the talent he truly has.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

But we're ok we've got cleverley as an option out wide

Love your sense of humour Kev

 

[davek]

So when has Ross put in a World Class performance?

And those stats can be torn to shreds, depending on how you look at them.

29 first half passes to where, sideways?
29 first half passes sideways at a 97% success rate?
etc, etc....

There are many other stats that don't get reported, like the dithering on the ball and not getting back to cover.

I have watched the games and while he has not been the worst of the bunch many of his performances have not been up to the standard they should be. Yes 'SHOULD BE'. It's not nice having an expectation put on you, but there is another side to it as well, it means that people believe you have what it takes, it means that people expect something from you. I believe he has what it takes but I believe he has to start kicking on and should be at this age, this is a big season for him.

Under Martinez he was given his head and produced some devastating performances especially on the counter and linking up with Lukaku and Mirallas/Deulofeu. His best season for us was last season and he produced many memorable moments.

You say you expect more out of him. Fair enough, we should because he's that good. But that doesn't mean when he doesn't produce it and falls short of expectations he's not worth his place in this current Everton team. They are one of the least creative teams we've had since Moyes thankfully frigged off. We need all the creative players we can muster on the pitch.

Again, he's 23 years of age. Just because he's been around for years doesn't negate that statistic. He's got lots of time on his side. Let's just hope he's playing for us and not getting off / forced out to some club that WILL appreciate him.

 

[Lowste]

So when has Ross put in a World Class performance?

And those stats can be torn to shreds, depending on how you look at them.

29 first half passes to where, sideways?
29 first half passes sideways at a 97% success rate?
etc, etc....

There are many other stats that don't get reported, like the dithering on the ball and not getting back to cover.

I have watched the games and while he has not been the worst of the bunch many of his performances have not been up to the standard they should be. Yes 'SHOULD BE'. It's not nice having an expectation put on you, but there is another side to it as well, it means that people believe you have what it takes, it means that people expect something from you. I believe he has what it takes but I believe he has to start kicking on and should be at this age, this is a big season for him.

That's the whole point - people expect him o be World class every game, the expectation is ridiculous

 

[Toffeelover]

I didn't say you did want him to leave - many others do though.

As for Barkley telling Koeman where he should play: I think it's more telling him how he should play. He's not lazy, he's not short of covering ground - he's just ill-suited to the defensive side of the game yet just happens to be one of the best attacking talents in the country. His manager does't need to be told that, in fact, he can see it if he ever watched Barkley in the two years he's managed in the PL. Or maybe he does see it and just doesn't fancy having him around because he cant fit him into the way he wants to play? We'll find out between now and next September, i suspect.

Time will tell Dave, lets hope for the best for RB and our team.

 

[bazzer25]

I agree that stats don't tell the full story, but that doesn't mean you can just invent facts like "All 29 of the passes were sideways". They weren't.
Interpret stats by all means, but don't state something as a fact when it isn't because it doesn't fit your point of view.

Stan I didn't say that so you are now misrepresenting what I have said.

I said

And those stats can be torn to shreds, depending on how you look at them.

29 first half passes to where, sideways?

Read it carefully and see that I am talking about people interpreting them differently, sideways is followed by a question mark. I did not not say 'Were'.

 

[Lowste]

May have already been posted, but today's Observer published stats showing that only Puncheon, Willian and Tadic have created more chances than Ross this season.
But don't let that stop you Barkley-haters screaming that he's useless and needs to be sold to Rochdale or whatever.

But we didn't sign him from a foreign club, and he didn't come with ridiculous transfer fee....some love that player

Sadly a kid from Wavertree get ridiculous abuse from the so called football know alls

 

[bazzer25]

That's the whole point - people expect him o be World class every game, the expectation is ridiculous

Let's not mention World class yet, do I believe Ross has the potential to be World class, yes. Is he right now, no. If he becomes World class will he be at Everton long, probably not. Who do we blame for the expectations that many of us have with Ross? Everton FC, Ross himself, the media? Something caused that and there is obviously some substance to the expectation. Is it a bad place to be in for Ross, depends on how he deals with it. Does he pay much attention to GOT, probably not.