Ross Barkley

[navidson]

Mata is a better player. He would also cost £40m and is 6 years older.

Rumour has it we bid over £40m for a CB

We're loaded remember

 

[Carlito]

Koeman could really do with finding a way to take the creative burden off Barkley - ideally without it appearing to be an obvious demotion.

I hope that he and Walsh are planning on doing something in January.

 

[marmor]

My eyes are the best stats I need to judge a player, and at the moment (and for the last couple of seasons) Barkley has been crap.
I hope he turns it round, but my patience is at rock bottom with him as he's not the player I thought he would be at this stage.

It seems Everton knock any kind of desire, aggression and winning mentality out of young players coming through (Rooney is an exception rather than the rule).

 

[Simon baker]

Statistically, he is.

He's 22, he's got what 20 England caps, he hit double figures for assists and goals last year and he's an evertonian.

Let's be honest, do people really have a recollection of how Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing at 22?? In the latter's case, he was playing in one of the finest sides this country has produced, managed by arguably the best manager of his generation and at 22 I imagine he was playing alongside Roy Keane, who could carry him through the weaker games. Barry is fantastic but he's not Roy Keane at his peak level.

Barkley is already a fantastic player. If he is still making these errors at 26, 27, then we worry.

Fantastic point plus did people really watch scholes Gerard & lampard week in week out doubt it. Twitter also was not even invented the social media spotlight has increased thousands of %.

Anyone who says Scholes lampard & Gerard were not making some of the same mistakes is basing it on rose tinted memories of highlights & the odd big game they actually watched.

Lampard got a hard time for years and wasn't rated anywhere near as high as he should have been.

I think people have lost sight of the issue & that is he is a fantastic talent who is out of form so either support him & try to help or boo him & make it worse.

Does anybody seriously believe Koeman isn't behind the scenes taking him through the faults within his game.

 

[MikeH72]

Fantastic point plus did people really watch scholes Gerard & lampard week in week out doubt it. Twitter also was not even invented the social media spotlight has increased thousands of %.

Anyone who says Scholes lampard & Gerard were not making some of the same mistakes is basing it on rose tinted memories of highlights & the odd big game they actually watched.

Lampard got a hard time for years and wasn't rated anywhere near as high as he should have been.

I think people have lost sight of the issue & that is he is a fantastic talent who is out of form so either support him & try to help or boo him & make it worse.

Does anybody seriously believe Koeman isn't behind the scenes taking him through the faults within his game.

No mate. It does however appear half of our fanbase are doing this with Barkley.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

How come the best players have the best stats then?

Stats don't prove how he plays over 90 minutes. He might make 2 assists in a game and have the highest passing % but could still make errors and give 2 goals away. He can still go missing for large parts of the game, not pick men up at corners, not track back etc. A player is judge don performance, not stats.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

He's a fantastic talent, no doubting that, he's just got to be more consistent, not worth having 1 good game followed by 4 crap games.

One of the lads mentioned Ross gave the ball away 18 times against Bournemouth, and a lot of them in dangerous area's, got to cut that out, and I've been saying it for yonks now, he needs to start keeping it simple.

 

[Timak]

Stats don't prove how he plays over 90 minutes. He might make 2 assists in a game and have the highest passing % but could still make errors and give 2 goals away. He can still go missing for large parts of the game, not pick men up at corners, not track back etc. A player is judge don performance, not stats.

They measure almost all of that.

Seriously they have analysts who look at every aspect of the game. Clubs invest tens of millions in breaking down every aspect of the game.

If you look at Stones for example last season his ratings plummeted from the year before even though there was no drop in some of the key aspects of the game (e.g passing, % of tackles won etc)

 

[peteblue]

Ross will be made up Fat Sam has gone and will be MoTM on Friday..........

 

[Pabbers]

Scholes looked the best player of the "class of 92" even at 22 years old. Lanyard was bought for big noney because of his performances for westham... would anyone spend decent money on ross? Not right now they wouldn't .

Ross would easily got for £30 million now, that's a top 8 prem price now.

Scholes looked quality, but he was NOT world class at 22, nobody was.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

But the thing is, he is not as good as they were at 22 is he? If people are being brutally honest with themselves. That's not saying he's crap, those were top players contributing massively to their teams winning trophies.

What was lampard winning at 22 with West Ham. Funny how he starts to score more goals once he went to Chelsea, playing along side world class players and challenging for the tile every year.
The same as scholes. And though Liverpool didn't win the title they were in and around the top 4 every year. And spent a fortune on top players.

Barkley Has a long way to go. And he will either sink or swim over the next 18months under RK. But you can't Write him off at 22.

Look at bale at 22 seen as a flop by Spurs and was on his way to forest for 5mil

 

[MikeH72]

What was lampard winning at 22 with West Ham. Funny how he starts to score more goals once he went to Chelsea, playing along side world class players and challenging for the tile every year.
The same as scholes. And though Liverpool didn't win the title they were in and around the top 4 every year. And spent a fortune on top players.

Barkley Has a long way to go. And he will either sink or swim over the next 18months under RK. But you can't Write him off at 22.

Look at bale at 22 seen as a flop by Spurs and was on his way to forest for 5mil

On Lampard: he's the closest to what Barkley is now as a 22 year old, he was a bit of a late bloomer as well. Gerrard and Scholes though, nah, they were the next level up at that age. Liverpool weren't winning titles, but they were winning FA Cups, League Cups and European trophies and Gerrard was a key part of that. Scholes was also a key player in a United side that dominated, people seem to be making out as if that team was carrying him, but it wasn't, he was every bit as important as the others. He's widely thought of as the best of the "class of 92".

I'm not writing him off and I don't think anyone is. But some people need to seriously get real about how good Barkley is right now. To be talked about in the same breath as those 3 he has a long, long way to go.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

They measure almost all of that.

Seriously they have analysts who look at every aspect of the game. Clubs invest tens of millions in breaking down every aspect of the game.

If you look at Stones for example last season his ratings plummeted from the year before even though there was no drop in some of the key aspects of the game (e.g passing, % of tackles won etc)

Analysts? Don't need it. Just watch the game and tell me how well he played.

 

[orly]

Stats don't prove how he plays over 90 minutes. He might make 2 assists in a game and have the highest passing % but could still make errors and give 2 goals away. He can still go missing for large parts of the game, not pick men up at corners, not track back etc. A player is judge don performance, not stats.

Again (sigh) there are more than just goal and assist stats.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Juan Manuel Mata

There's no way Jose would sell Mata in January. More chance getting Rooney.