Ross Barkley

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Nil Satis Niasse Optimum said:
Wait... Boro... assists came from a Mirallas corner, a Gueye pass to Coleman (I think) and a Bolasie cross for Lukaku. Barkley didn't test their goalkeeper at all during the match (as far as I can remember), and Gueye was rightfully man of the match. So if he's not scoring, and not assisting, yet is playing as our number 10...

What did he do that was so superb? I genuinely cannot remember, and I watched the full 90 minutes and have watched MOTD and the 20 minute highlights on the OS.

I'd say he was about a 6/10 against Boro, which is a marked improvement on his other performances, yet still way below the standard we should be demanding. Let's not forget it was a home game against one of the weakest teams in the division and he'd been handed a start despite an absolutely horrific showing in the previous match.

You sure he was superb?
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Yes. 91% pass rate for a start which is what Koeman demanded of him.

You clearly have an agenda here but all you are doing is making yourself look ridiculous.

It happens every season, a few posters pick on a player and run him down no matter what he does. It's tedious lad.
 
BlueLlama said:
Yes. 91% pass rate for a start which is what Koeman demanded of him.

You clearly have an agenda here but all you are doing is making yourself look ridiculous.

It happens every season, a few posters pick on a player and run him down no matter what he does. It's tedious lad.
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Got so many on ignore now.
 

He has been in the league for four years now, been given a free pass almost for all four. If he was good then he was worth £50m. If he is playing poor he is just a kid, im sorry but him and Dele Alli have both been found out.

Before you all have a pop at me, ask yourself why he has stopped the powerful runs he used to make, or why he cant play instinctively anymore ?
it seems to me the hype has gone to his head, he now stops the ball and tries some sort of arrogant feint of the shoulder type movement, maybe tries to throw in the odd nutmeg or step over, sorry but he has gone downhill since the kids first season under RM.
 
Paul Bernard said:
He has been in the league for four years now, been given a free pass almost for all four. If he was good then he was worth £50m. If he is playing poor he is just a kid, im sorry but him and Dele Alli have both been found out.

Before you all have a pop at me, ask yourself why he has stopped the powerful runs he used to make, or why he cant play instinctively anymore ?
it seems to me the hype has gone to his head, he now stops the ball and tries some sort of arrogant feint of the shoulder type movement, maybe tries to throw in the odd nutmeg or step over, sorry but he has gone downhill since the kids first season under RM.
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Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, Alli too eh?

Ross was indulged by Martinez and lost focus and fitness. He had his ego battered by being dropped by England and then he was under the spotlight. Koeman is doing the right thing with him but he will need a bit of time.

I despair of our fanbase sometimes, Ross is truly one of our own and half of you can't wait to stick the knife in.
 
Far too many people on here are protective of Barkley. He has been bang average for a while and has been really poor the last few games. Last night he stank the gaff out, he was awful.
Why does it bother so may people that he may not be the superstar we thought he would be??......people seem really annoyed that we are prepared to question this, I don't get it. To me, he is technically gifted but will never be a top top player.
I don't get the over protectiveness that is awarded to Ross, if he isn't that good.........so be it, we move on?
 
miff said:
Far too many people on here are protective of Barkley. He has been bang average for a while and has been really poor the last few games. Last night he stank the gaff out, he was awful.
Why does it bother so may people that he may not be the superstar we thought he would be??......people seem really annoyed that we are prepared to question this, I don't get it. To me, he is technically gifted but will never be a top top player.
I don't get the over protectiveness that is awarded to Ross, if he isn't that good.........so be it, we move on?
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Stop talking sense Sir, you'll be abused for that on here.
 
The Esk said:
Great defenders read the game, great midfielders find space and pick passes, great attackers rely on instinct to score - all have innate ability but they have more football intelligence than most (not to be confused with intellect) - Ross has the same innate ability and shows glimpses of that footballing intelligence but cannot apply it consistently enough to perform at the highest levels.

The most worrying thing for me is that tonight did not require the highest of levels, but because he wasn't on his "A" game he couldn't perform. In sport the true greats either as a team or as an individual find a way of winning even when not at their best - Ross has never shown that.
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I was thinking about this over the last couple of games. Rarely do 2 pundits have it so spot on as Neville and Carragher did on MNF. Neville is right when he says his stats stand up against Lampard/Gerrard/Scholes (and I'd imagine Gasgoine if you dig his out). They are the top 4 midfielders of the last 30 years. Yet Carragher pointed out it was at this point they all started to kick on. By 24/5 Scholes was central to winning titles and the European cup and Gerrard was the central figure in his sides European cup success.

The key for Barkley is now to go up another level. Most young players at 18 have the technical ability comparable to a senior player. What comes next is the developing physically which takes until they are about 22/23. What then differentiates players is what's between the ears or what you rightly call "football intelligence".

This is now the big challenge for Ross. To kick on again he has to start to get his own head right in games. He shouldn't need to be hauled off against Sunderland for giving the ball away. Being able to sense the ebb and flow of games, when to complete simple passes, when to dribble, when to play more offensively or push on will now be central to his development. He has all the skills but it's about producing his best performances 7 games out of 10 not being under par 7 games out of 10.

There is a parallel. I remember at about 21/22 he produced a top performance in a Liverpool V United game where they beat them 3-1 and he was magnificent. Barkley has had similar games like that (the Derby 3 years ago the 3-3 game springs to mind). However what Gerrard started to do around this time was learn how best to utilise his skill base and demonstrate he could do so most weeks.

I think Koeman summed it up best when he said "he's not a youngstar anymore". Being a youngstar which means being inconsistent can only be tolerated for so long. Otherwise you end up just being an inconsistent midfielder. A Tadic for example. Only Ross can dictate how good he will become. There comes a point when the coach can teach you tactical, physical and technical skills but there is an art in how the player recognises what needs to be done within a match setting. All the coach can do is insist on high standards and now allow them to settle for being good but not great.
 

catcherintherye said:
I was thinking about this over the last couple of games. Rarely do 2 pundits have it so spot on as Neville and Carragher did on MNF. Neville is right when he says his stats stand up against Lampard/Gerrard/Scholes (and I'd imagine Gasgoine if you dig his out). They are the top 4 midfielders of the last 30 years. Yet Carragher pointed out it was at this point they all started to kick on. By 24/5 Scholes was central to winning titles and the European cup and Gerrard was the central figure in his sides European cup success.

The key for Barkley is now to go up another level. Most young players at 18 have the technical ability comparable to a senior player. What comes next is the developing physically which takes until they are about 22/23. What then differentiates players is what's between the ears or what you rightly call "football intelligence".

This is now the big challenge for Ross. To kick on again he has to start to get his own head right in games. He shouldn't need to be hauled off against Sunderland for giving the ball away. Being able to sense the ebb and flow of games, when to complete simple passes, when to dribble, when to play more offensively or push on will now be central to his development. He has all the skills but it's about producing his best performances 7 games out of 10 not being under par 7 games out of 10.

There is a parallel. I remember at about 21/22 he produced a top performance in a Liverpool V United game where they beat them 3-1 and he was magnificent. Barkley has had similar games like that (the Derby 3 years ago the 3-3 game springs to mind). However what Gerrard started to do around this time was learn how best to utilise his skill base and demonstrate he could do so most weeks.

I think Koeman summed it up best when he said "he's not a youngstar anymore". Being a youngstar which means being inconsistent can only be tolerated for so long. Otherwise you end up just being an inconsistent midfielder. A Tadic for example. Only Ross can dictate how good he will become. There comes a point when the coach can teach you tactical, physical and technical skills but there is an art in how the player recognises what needs to be done within a match setting. All the coach can do is insist on high standards and now allow them to settle for being good but not great.
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That to me says he needs a move to a champions league club under top managers rather than stay here.

Thats 'sthe difference with Scholes etc to Ross.
 
The truth about Barkley is that he is not good enough, if he was born in Manchester or anywhere other than Liverpool he would get no support at all on forums.
Without hesitation, he should be dropped and if possible get some sucker money for him before he just fades away.
All his supporters pick out the one game in ten when things go right for, but surely anyone can see he cannot defend can barely head a ball and his decision-making borders on the ridiculous.
Many were surprised he was left out of the England, I would have been surprised if he was in it.
I watched on TV the Rooney Testimonials Allardyce was sat next to Sir Alex, Barkley had the ball ran 20 yards had players free both left and right Barkley ran straight into the only two defenders in front of him and lost the ball.
The camera went onto Allardyce and Ferguson who looked at each other and each shook their heads in unison. When I watch him at the game my heart sinks when he makes error after error.
Unfortunately for us that what happens game after game, he gets rough treatment from the fans because everyone can see what to do bar him.
Without Barry the team is rudderless and Barkley will never be good enough to steer the good ship, Everton.
Make no mistake, we have had a good start but if Barry or Gana are out of the team we will struggle. There are besides, Barkley five at least who need replacing in the next two windows.
I hate criticising players but the Barkley excuses its, on forums makes my blood boil.
 

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