Ross Barkley

[scratchnsurf]

After 14 years of managers sticking with horribly out of form players because they are 'favourites', we now have a manager who has managed to create genuine competition for places and takes action when players under perform and still people aren't happy.

 

[MikeH72]

The second half would 'have worked' just as well if Mirallas had come off.

It was a totally arbitrary decision by Koeman who could have taken any one of five off. Let's not make it a master stroke.

So why was it a travesty that he took Barkley off then?

Your agendas are peculiar.

 

[davek]

It's called man management Dave. We haven't seen it for 3 seasons. Lukaku needs the love, getting tough with him does nowt, get him fit, tell him he's the best and he bangs them in. Start laying the law down and he's pencilling in the next international break and is writing a script for his dad. Barkley on the other hand can be told he's phenomenal as many times as he wants but it doesn't make any difference. He needs a kick up the backside. It's not for the media to do it, that has been disgraceful but it's well within Koeman's gift to demand more from Ross.

...so where does the public part of the dressing down come in?

 

[MikeH72]

After 14 years of managers sticking with horribly out of form players because they are 'favourites', we now have a manager who has managed to create genuine competition for places and takes action when players under perform and still people aren't happy.

Correction - only one person isn't happy.

 

[Goat]

Correction - only one person isn't happy.

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@davek and @Zatara

 

[MikeH72]

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@davek and @Zatara

Are they even separate people?

 

[davek]

After 14 years of managers sticking with horribly out of form players because they are 'favourites', we now have a manager who has managed to create genuine competition for places and takes action when players under perform and still people aren't happy.

...he can do ALL that at FF, doesn't need the media to hound the lad into it for him...does he?

 

[witchdoc187]

If Koeman wanted to avoid Martinez's mistake he'd have binned the barrack room lawyers who downed tools intentionally not a boy who gives his all when he takes to the pitch.

I'm sorry, he's needlessly hung a talented and good lad out to dry here...maybe because he doesn't fancy taking on a serial moaner like Mirallas or a misfiring Lukaku.

I support Koeman, but I tell you what he will store up some ill feeling if he continues a line that throws his players to the dogs like he has today. Up to him. He'll either be a roaring sucess and win stuff and thereby get away with stunts like this, or he'll be bang average or worse and players will have him out.

This is all very melodramatic. He just substituted him and told him to play better next time. Lol

 

[scratchnsurf]

...he can do ALL that at FF, doesn't need the media to hound the lad into it for him...does he?

As I said earlier Dave, Barkley was quite happy to use the media to let his feelings be known over his treatment at the Euro's, so he himself brought the focus on his form from the media. Perhaps another lesson learned for the lad.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

So why was it a travesty that he took Barkley off then?

Your agendas are peculiar.

No they aren't, they're exceedingly similar and all incredibly transparent

They're also undeniably successful, as the last couple of pages serve to prove

 

[harris78]

The second half would 'have worked' just as well if Mirallas had come off.

It was a totally arbitrary decision by Koeman who could have taken any one of five off. Let's not make it a master stroke.

I don't agree Dave, Mirallas yes was somewhat anonymous first half but Barkley was losing possession all to frequently in and around our box in too dangerous areas to let it continue for another 45 minutes.

The lad had a bad half, he got took off, people reading and making too much out of it. He wont be the last player to be hauled off at half time or even before half time i would imagine this season under Koeman. The only thing is, how does Barkley respond. I guess we shall see starting saturday.

 

[davek]

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@davek and @Zatara

I'm fine with players getting bollockings. No problem. It's the inconsistent targeting here AND the means of delivery: ie in the glare of the media. It was a snides trick.

 

[davek]

I don't agree Dave, Mirallas yes was somewhat anonymous first half but Barkley was losing possession all to frequently in and around our box in too dangerous areas to let it continue for another 45 minutes.

The lad had a bad half, he got took off, people reading and making too much out of it. He wont be the last player to be hauled off at half time or even before half time i would imagine this season under Koeman. The only thing is, how does Barkley respond. I guess we shall see starting saturday.

I say again: that's fine. But why feed him to the dogs of the media?

 

[davek]

As I said earlier Dave, Barkley was quite happy to use the media to let his feelings be known over his treatment at the Euro's, so he himself brought the focus on his form from the media. Perhaps another lesson learned for the lad.

He's a player in no position of power. Koeman is a manager with all the power of the post. Major difference.

 

[Space Cowboy]

The second half would 'have worked' just as well if Mirallas had come off.

It was a totally arbitrary decision by Koeman who could have taken any one of five off. Let's not make it a master stroke.

Barkley stunk the place out, but so did Rom in that first half to be fair. You can't predict what's going to happen in 45 mins of football.