Ross Barkley

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I go every game mate.

And do you have that same strict view on ALL players ?? Number of times they lose the ball, make a mistake or do something wrong ??
If you do, then you must not rate any of our players!!

So did you not see Gerry lose the ball about 6 times ??? Fail to go past his player and fail with croses ???!!

the criticism of Barkley is so blinkered mate, it boggles the mind.

I can understand the frustration, but fgs, it's not like he isn't trying.

People are acting like he's been tosh all season so far as well - which he hasn't at all. He's taken on a different role and he's working towards that.

Personally I don't think he's suited to that No.10 role away from home as he never seems to have enough of the ball on the counter and he ends up trying too hard.

It was the right sub the other night and Barkley will know he has to do better, but it's one bad half (in which, as I have said, he was still involved in all of our attacking play at some point).
 

With all these comparisons, you even have to look at who Gerrard/Lampard/Scholes had next to them in midfield.

Schoels had Roy Keane next to him and Cole/york/Sheringham/Van Nistlerooy/RVP/Rooney ahead of him......his Stats look even worse now!!
 
the criticism of Barkley is so blinkered mate, it boggles the mind.

I can understand the frustration, but fgs, it's not like he isn't trying.

People are acting like he's been tosh all season so far as well - which he hasn't at all. He's taken on a different role and he's working towards that.

Personally I don't think he's suited to that No.10 role away from home as he never seems to have enough of the ball on the counter and he ends up trying too hard.

It was the right sub the other night and Barkley will know he has to do better, but it's one bad half (in which, as I have said, he was still involved in all of our attacking play at some point).


Agree completely, I just dont get why our own fans are so hard on him.

I see Pogba is playing well......
 
When he's gliding with the ball and going past players he's a joy to watch.

When he's misplacing 10 yard passes and having the ball taken from him with ease it's infuriating.

And before anyone says the above is based on Monday night's 1st half, it isn't. It's based on him being a first team player for ~4 years
 

When he's gliding with the ball and going past players he's a joy to watch.

When he's misplacing 10 yard passes and having the ball taken from him with ease it's infuriating.

And before anyone says the above is based on Monday night's 1st half, it isn't. It's based on him being a first team player for ~4 years

three years

he's 22

As @Pabbers mentioned, did anybody see Pogba's performance the other day?

Barkley has more to his game than any other English midfielder - including media darling Alli.

He's frustrating at times and brilliant at times. Koeman will get the best out of him.

Totally overblown and overreactions as always.
 
Absolute ridiculas comments, and so far off the mark.

He is delivering more than any other "top" midfielder we have had in the Prem. He is 22 and is playing well, 1 bad half he has had ffs!!

Why does nobody else get picked up on decision making ?? Kev fopr example ??

Madness this criticism.
Quite right.

Lets add a little perspective here. Because we know Ross has so much talent, we expect him to deliver a 9/10 performance every game, which is ridiculous when you think about it. If he did he would be right up there with the likes of Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez.

So far this season his form hasn't been great by his own high standards, but up until Monday night he's still been putting in solid 7/10s and has been able to influence games.

You also need to take account of the type of teams we have been playing. Apart from Spurs we have been up against teams who have been trying to stop us playing. Ross has been man marked and sometimes teams even double up on him. Despite what some of you think, and indeed the nob who wrote that ridiculous article in the Telegraph (which surprised me a bit to be honest as their stuff is usually quite readable), 22 is still very young for the position Ross plays and the amount of responsibility being put on his shoulders. Plus he hasn't yet learned how to handle being man marked, but that will come with experience.

Two observations here. Firstly, when teams concentrate on stopping Ross, it also takes away an element of their offensive ability. Plus it opens things up for other avenue's of attack. The fact that these teams single out Ross for attention should tell you something. Secondly, we'll probably play around 15 or so matches a season when the opposition are more interested in their own capabilities than stopping Ross. I believe he will be more prominent in these games as he's given more freedom to showcase his skills.

As regards Monday's game specifically, Ross just had one of those nights all players have from time to time. Nothing came off for him and I was frustrated and sorry for him in equal measures. He is a confidence player and you could literally see his head dropping. But the important thing was Koeman noticed this and was prepared to take action at half time. He could have chosen Mirallas tbh, but I think hindsight shows he made the right decision. It disrupted Sunderland's game plan and they couldn't cope with us offensively. Plus, they had to open up after we scored the first.

Cue all the knee jerk reactions about Ross not being good enough, not fitting into Ronalds plans, only fit to be a squad player etc etc.

In reality, Koeman would most likely have taken him to one side in training yesterday, spoken to him about his performance in the game and what they can work on to improve it. Wouldn't be surprised if he was in the starting 11 for Middlesborough on Saturday although my gut feeling is he will be rested. What I will say is that I trust Koeman's judgement on this, and that is a most refreshing change.

It does highlight the need to buy a playmaker. Somebody who can both challenge Ross and share the burden of responsibility he carries on his very young shoulders.
 
three years

he's 22

As @Pabbers mentioned, did anybody see Pogba's performance the other day?

Barkley has more to his game than any other English midfielder - including media darling Alli.

He's frustrating at times and brilliant at times. Koeman will get the best out of him.

Totally overblown and overreactions as always.

1. Yeah I put ~4 years as he's had three full seasons plus the start of this and appearances prior to 13/14
2. Not arsed about Pogba or anyone else, totally irrelevant. I'm only bothered about our players
3. Frustrating & brilliant? Yeah, that's exactly what I alluded to.
4. I hope so and believe he will too.

Overblown? Maybe some, but not in my case.
 
1. Yeah I put ~4 years as he's had three full seasons plus the start of this and appearances prior to 13/14
2. Not arsed about Pogba or anyone else, totally irrelevant. I'm only bothered about our players
3. Frustrating & brilliant? Yeah, that's exactly what I alluded to.
4. I hope so and believe he will too.

Overblown? Maybe some, but not in my case.

not in your case - it was a balanced.

However, I think overall the reaction from our fans has been silly and overblown.

Bad games happen but don't wipe out the good he's done already.

This time last year he was on fire. Unfortunately his form slipped from around March time (as did everybody else's mind).

So far this season he's been playing a slightly different role and he's had an impact in every game - even if he was poor vs Sunderland - and performed well in the first four.
 

It's not one bad half though is it?
Assuming you go the game you must see the amount of times in a game he gives the ball away or makes the wrong attempted pass or just goes down a blind alley.

It's almost every game.

I wish he would be a world beater but he's not.

The amount of times I get home from the match and later find out he got man of the match is amazing and stupefying.

5 mins on motd and they pick out his good bits and rave about him???....now that's ridiculous!

I think the match-goers in general have a different view on him to those who watch on tv.

Everybody wants him to do well but the frustration is mounting.

Not saying Gerri should start matches as he has no stamina but the substitution the other day showed how things should be done and how mobile we should be.

I'm a match-goer and disagree with you.
 
With all these comparisons, you even have to look at who Gerrard/Lampard/Scholes had next to them in midfield.

Schoels had Roy Keane next to him and Cole/york/Sheringham/Van Nistlerooy/RVP/Rooney ahead of him......his Stats look even worse now!!
The comparison to all players that normally played further back.
 
Against Boro at home I would rest Barry.

Barry can't go on for ever so we either need to buy someone like Witsel who isn't very good or mould Barkley into that role. Surely it's worth giving it a shot. The last time I remember seeing Barkley totally dominate a game was against QPR. I know people will say it's only QPR but it was only Sunderland on Monday.
 

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