Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[MartyMcFly]

For all our bluster and bloviation...we are exactly at the same point we have been every year since I can remember ('03)

Window opens
First week goes by with no new personnel
Supporters go nuts with outlandish claims we will never sign anyone.
1 or 2 signings in the next couple of weeks
Supporters go nuts with outlandish claims we will sign everyone.
a couple of weeks go by with only rumors and tosh
Supporters go nuts with outlandish claims we wont sign another.
Last couple of weeks we add another piece
Supporters go nuts with outlandish claims we need another or we are doomed.
Deadline day Everton spends all the monies
Supporters go nuts with outlandish claims we will win the league.

Rinse and repeat for January and you pretty much have our entire roller coaster in summary.

I agree with all this except the last bit. What deadline day did Everton spend all the monies?

 

[Bungle]

That Camber Sands?

 

[BlueToff]

rolan, forgot about him.

Wonder if he turned us down for champions league football as well?

don't think we were ever actually in for him mate.

it was a spurious report on one occasion that was never followed up.

(waits for Rolan to sign on deadline day)

 

[Blue_Berry]

None of those are investments. Transferring debt from someone to himself is not paying off debt. Buying land to then build a stadium which he then leases to the club isn't investment. The club and Moshiri are separate legal entities.

My point is a simple one. He hasn't so far invested a single penny in the club so you are wrong to say he has. It has all come from Stones and TV money. The reason why it's relevant to this thread is because ultimately if that doesn't change then we can expect only one more signing assuming no-one leaves.

Can we not agree on this and stop the pointless arguing.

Crikey - where to begin....

I'd make 2 simple points

1. For all the confidence and absolute certainty with which you make your claims, you post not a shred of evidence to back them up. Just your opinion it seems, oh, and arguments such as 'people are now saying'.

2. You have stuck to a very narrow definition of the word 'Investment', no doubt to support the purpose of your argument. Are you seriously expecting Moshiri to pony up £300mm to build a stadium and gift it to the club? Do you seriously expect EFC to finance such a project fully out of its own resources? My expectation is that he will provide some initial capital, will attract outside investors, leverage the largesse of the city council, and also borrow (yes, borrow) from a bank or two to finance the project. If that loan falls to cashflows from the club to service, and he has otherwise facilitated a viable business model to ensure the club has that cash flow, what is the problem with that? Its called financial management. It's not all his money that does it but we do get a stadium that is affordable and that does provide significant furthrr income potential to the club that we would never have seen without a new stadium.

However if you want to just carry on arguing the toss about what 'investment' means, crack on...

 

[TheFinnFan]

That Camber Sands?

yer mars house on that cliff

 

[Pabbers]

Honestly not that bothered if we don't sign any more players.

 

[Azza]

That Camber Sands?

 

[bobafro]

Looks like Chelsea are going for Marquinhos after not being able to agree terms with AC Milan or Napoli for their other defensive targets.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Koulibaly interest from Everton was reignited - especially if the Kone deal continues to drag out.

 

[Neiziro]

Looks like Chelsea are going for Marquinhos after not being able to agree terms with AC Milan or Napoli for their other defensive targets.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Koulibaly interest from Everton was reignited - especially if the Kone deal continues to drag out.

Surely you must mean Marqueenhos?

 

[Professor Toffee]

Looks like Chelsea are going for Marquinhos after not being able to agree terms with AC Milan or Napoli for their other defensive targets.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Koulibaly interest from Everton was reignited - especially if the Kone deal continues to drag out.

I dont want to go to Chelsea

 

[Ashtonian]

don't think we were ever actually in for him mate.

it was a spurious report on one occasion that was never followed up.

(waits for Rolan to sign on deadline day)

haha yeah, even though it was meant toi be very close at the time.

whereas 6 weeks later we have managed to negotiate, agree and subsequently be trumped by arsenal over the space of a week.

I'd be arsed about lucas if i had ever heard of him before last week tbh

 

[Zatara]

Looks like Chelsea are going for Marquinhos after not being able to agree terms with AC Milan or Napoli for their other defensive targets.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Koulibaly interest from Everton was reignited - especially if the Kone deal continues to drag out.

Lets hope so!

 

[Ashtonian]

Looks like Chelsea are going for Marquinhos after not being able to agree terms with AC Milan or Napoli for their other defensive targets.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Koulibaly interest from Everton was reignited - especially if the Kone deal continues to drag out.

not for 40 million mate now. Even if we upped our offer for kone it would still save us a fortune on the deal.

and if chelsea can't sign him, think we would have no chance of getting him.

 

[Goat]

Lets hope so!

He stunk the place out last game he played, was at fault for both goals and his manager basically called him a clown.

His purple patch 6months is over, nobody will buy him.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Crikey - where to begin....

I'd make 2 simple points

1. For all the confidence and absolute certainty with which you make your claims, you post not a shred of evidence to back them up. Just your opinion it seems, oh, and arguments such as 'people are now saying'.

2. You have stuck to a very narrow definition of the word 'Investment', no doubt to support the purpose of your argument. Are you seriously expecting Moshiri to pony up £300mm to build a stadium and gift it to the club? Do you seriously expect EFC to finance such a project fully out of its own resources? My expectation is that he will provide some initial capital, will attract outside investors, leverage the largesse of the city council, and also borrow (yes, borrow) from a bank or two to finance the project. If that loan falls to cashflows from the club to service, and he has otherwise facilitated a viable business model to ensure the club has that cash flow, what is the problem with that? Its called financial management. It's not all his money that does it but we do get a stadium that is affordable and that does provide significant furthrr income potential to the club that we would never have seen without a new stadium.

However if you want to just carry on arguing the toss about what 'investment' means, crack on...

I'm not getting into an argument about semantics.

I expect the owner to invest in the club not gift the club anything. If he invests 300m in the club then he would expect shares in return, those extra shares would have to be released by the club thereby diluting everyone else down. Since the club is probably only worth 200m doing this would probably leave him with around 75%. That's the figure that reportedly he will jump up to so that's probably what will happen but as yet nothing has happened and now we're hearing rumors that's not what is going to happen. Who knows. We need to wait and see but currently he hasn't invested a penny and given the structure of the deal I'm not even to sure he can.

As for where my info came from. It came from esk who is a huge supporter and champion of Moshiri. Not someone with an axe to grind.

Is that now clear because this is boring me as well as I'm sure everyone else reading it.