Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

It was obvious the current Government would if it could Bruce, after all, the Spiv's used their influence to promote it in the EU and their whips got their Mep's to vote it through 100%.
Whether they'll get it through our systems as covertly remains to be seen.

As an aside, I was thinking about TTIP today as that was a widely touted argument amongst the leave side. On the one hand, you have Britain as arguably the most pro-free market nation in the EU, so if anything it was the other EU countries that were holding back the whole process. Then you have the lengthy process of actually constructing such deals, and the urgency with which the UK will need to strike new deals when we move.

It seems likely therefore that we will attempt to strike our own version of TTIP as soon as possible, with the deal either practically identical to the existing one, or possibly even more in favour of the private sector.

 

[Tubey]

Truth now; was the referendum result really, really binding, does the UK actually have to leave. Can parliament say sorry peeps you're wrong on this one so in the best interests etc etc

Yes, they can, but they won't due to the ramifications of doing so in terms of our democracy.

 

[AndyC]

Truth now; was the referendum result really, really binding, does the UK actually have to leave. Can parliament say sorry peeps you're wrong on this one so in the best interests etc etc

Actually yes parliament can in effect ignore the referendum result.
It would need a vote in the Commons and if the remain side won that, then legitimately, the government could say we stay.
There could and potentially would be total uproar, but that as I understand it could happen.

Now if it did, it begs the question whether Cameron would backtrack on his resignation?

What a mess !!

 

[Tubey]

As an aside, I was thinking about TTIP today as that was a widely touted argument amongst the leave side. On the one hand, you have Britain as arguably the most pro-free market nation in the EU, so if anything it was the other EU countries that were holding back the whole process. Then you have the lengthy process of actually constructing such deals, and the urgency with which the UK will need to strike new deals when we move.

It seems likely therefore that we will attempt to strike our own version of TTIP as soon as possible, with the deal either practically identical to the existing one, or possibly even more in favour of the private sector.

You're talking the best part of a decade to get that done though.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It was obvious the current Government would if it could Bruce, after all, the Spiv's used their influence to promote it in the EU and their whips got their Mep's to vote it through 100%.
Whether they'll get it through our systems as covertly remains to be seen.

Suffice to say, I'm not as concerned about TTIP as some of you fellas, but just thought it was worth saying that as we are the most business friendly state in the EU that any subsequent deal with the US is likely to be at least what TTIP already is.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You're talking the best part of a decade to get that done though.

I'm not sure to be honest. If the UK said "we'll have what you've done with the EU (with TTIP)" then that would surely speed things up?

 

[Tubey]

I'm not sure to be honest. If the UK said "we'll have what you've done with the EU (with TTIP)" then that would surely speed things up?

Sadly doesn't work that way. It's a matter of time, resources and, significantly, red tape. As Obama correctly said, the priority will go on negotiating with 27 states instead of 1; Britain goes to the back of the queue, and any discussions on a trade deal won't even start until we leave two years after activating Article 50.

Even being 100% optimistic, you're looking at 6 to 8 years from now for a formal trade deal with the USA, probably longer, and more again for China. We'll be on WTO rules in the interim.

 

[orchard]

I'm sure at least ISDS will be tabled at most initial trade deals. I think it may be hard to get through our system constitutionally, and was developed by the Dutch for controlling colonial assets in 3rd/2nd World/fledgling Nations.

Suffice to say, I'm not as concerned about TTIP as some of you fellas, but just thought it was worth saying that as we are the most business friendly state in the EU that any subsequent deal with the US is likely to be at least what TTIP already is.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure at least ISDS will be tabled at most initial trade deals. I think it may be hard to get through our system constitutionally, and was developed by the Dutch for controlling colonial assets in 3rd/2nd World/fledgling Nations.

I'm not sure the Americans would take Duncan Smith to be honest. Certainly no harm in trying though.

 

[Rob17896]

So what happens now?

As to my understanding triggering article 50 will release us (over time) from the EU. Until we trigger it then technically we are still part of the EU.

Except the EU are behaving like children and saying you aren't invited to the EU anymore, trigger the article.

Now i seen they might not do that until the government has a plan on managing it.

Which kinda leaves things in limbo does it not? Part but not part of the EU at the same time.

Like David Moyes changing jobs.

 

[SNova]

Yes, they can, but they won't due to the ramifications of doing so in terms of our democracy.

I don't think they care about democracy as much as they care about losing voters at the next general election.

 

[Tubey]

I don't think they care about democracy as much as they care about losing voters at the next general election.

Same thing.

 

[Toffeelover]

Sadly doesn't work that way. It's a matter of time, resources and, significantly, red tape. As Obama correctly said, the priority will go on negotiating with 27 states instead of 1; Britain goes to the back of the queue, and any discussions on a trade deal won't even start until we leave two years after activating Article 50.

Even being 100% optimistic, you're looking at 6 to 8 years from now for a formal trade deal with the USA, probably longer, and more again for China. We'll be on WTO rules in the interim.

Easier to negotiate with 1 state than 27.

 

[sbbefc]

We need to stop this madness before its too late. Deceit, lies and the tory elite playing games with our future. Quite sickening.

 

[ilikecheese]

Easier to negotiate with 1 state than 27.

When 27 are 1 it's clearly the priority.