ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[Khalekan]

The answer to that is the arrogance/jealousy of Manchester United fans mate.

It is funny really. A lot of United fans try to jump on board with our hatred of Liverpool. I have never gone along with it. They are insanely jealous and angry towards them. I don't watch them and get insanely jealous or wish death upon them etc. I just think they are a bit pathetic and let the City down sometimes. It's odd really as of the two clubs you'd imagine we should probably be more angry and jealous and they would be more condescending given what we've both won over the last 30 years. I think we hate Liverpool FC in different ways and I can never get on board with them.

What's interesting is what United and Liverpool share is the belief that LFC are a massive club who are relevant. I don't and most Evertonians don't. We know they are not a Real Madrid and see through their nonsense far more.

If I am honest with you, I don't see United or their fans being in any way "jealous" of the RS.

Quite the reverse....the RS are insanely jealous of United and this faux rivalry dates back to the 70s when the Kopites could not deal with the fact that despite all their success in the latter part of that decade, the often struggling Manchester United were always accorded more media adulation than they were.

Yes, United fans are "arrogant" and indeed they have reciprocated the RS hatred toward them.....but I never detect any jealousy.

What do they have to be jealous off?

In fact, I find very few fans of other clubs to be jealous of LFC.

They are lampooned endlessly and the whole nation seems to revel in their travails.

It is only the embedded cultists in the media seem to have any love for them.

And that RS/Manc "Derby" means an awful lot more to the RS than it does to the Mancs from what I can see.

 

[Khalekan]

Something else about 'THAT' celebration for the draw with WBA. They are trying to take that celebration, linked arms towards the crowd as their own. They have genuinely stated that nobody else in the prem does it so that celebration style defines them and their togetherness and sense of family. They have also said that that as it was done in Germany it solidifies the links they have with the German footballing culture.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-iconic-image-could-face-11406822



Liverpool submit ideas for massive poster with 'powerful expression of togetherness'

• Liverpool submit ideas for massive poster with 'powerful expression of togetherness'

Red cladding being fitted to the outside of the Main Stand development at Anfield Stadium.


The “Klopp salute” is set dominate the Kop and Liverpool FC Main stand under new proposals from the club .

A planning application has been submitted to Liverpool city council for a giant poster showing the team, with arms raised and hand-in-hand, saluting LFC fans.

In March the Reds submitted a planning application for a new store facing onto Walton Breck Road.

The application references the “Bundesliga-style team celebration that Jurgen has introduced since his arrival; the squad with linked hands, arms aloft, acknowledging the fans in joint celebration”.

Image showing planning application to Liverpool council by Liverpool FC for graphic artwork proposals to Kop and Main Stand elevations of the Anfield Stadium


The application says: “The gesture presents a powerful expression of togetherness, unity and belonging and could easily be extended to encompass a wider range of LFC stakeholders and demographic groups – fans, LFC Ladies, supporter groups, local community, ethnicity, gender, disability etc.

“The sanguine image and ‘world family’ message should avoid any potential planning issues.

“No other Premier League club seems to use this style of post-match celebration; with the German connection in mind, LFC appears to have taken ownership in England.”

LFC said the images within the application are subject to change and only indicative of what it may look like.

The application is by Liverpool FC & Athletic Grounds Ltd and was submitted on May 27. No date has yet been set for when a decision will be made by council planners.

Under the proposals there will be self adhesive vinyls printed in full colour and applied to glazing panels and frame of the LFC store, Boot Room and ticket collection office.

According to a letter accompanying the application: “The “Look package” graphics artwork proposal reflects the vision of the Club for the stadium as a 365-days/year visitor destination drawing people into Anfield and acting as a catalyst to the regeneration of the wider area.

Image showing planning application to Liverpool council by Liverpool FC for graphic artwork proposals to Kop and Main Stand elevations of the Anfield Stadium


“The application proposes improvements to the appearance of the stadium from the public realm areas surrounding it.

“It is a common feature of sporting facilities to include such artwork and reflect the drama and purpose of the stadium use.”



The letter says: “The images may be amended and up-dated throughout their lifetime to reflect changes and the evolving nature of the football club (new players, memorable events etc).”

It adds: “The proposed artwork has been specifically positioned on elevations overlookingthe Fan Zone /public realm area and the commercial area of Walton Breck Road local centre. As such, there will be limited direct views of the artwork from residential properties.”

Is this serious?

Is the "Klopp salute" to become an actual thing?

Immortalising the day they scored a late equaliser against the mighty.......Baggies

 

[jaycee]

apowerful expression of togetherness, unity and belonging and could easily be extended to encompass a wider range of LFC stakeholders and demographic groups – fans, LFC Ladies, supporter groups, local community, ethnicity, gender, disability etc.
HAHAHAHA the local community they destroyed?Disability after the backing of some bellend who threatened a disabled supporter?Ethnicity after the full backing of a racist?
Deluded isnt the word for them

 

[weaf]

The self-awareness in that thread is flabbergasting. Apparently Southampton are a bigger club than us because of their recent history. We are not on their level as they have finished above us for a couple of seasons. If we only looking at recent history when judging the status of a club then where would that leave them? They truly have no common sense and just lap up whatever the beuts over there say. Part of me wants to sign up and say something but there's no point. Catch22 over there actually tries to respectfully argue his point and just gets shouted down by the loons. It's pointless.

 

[catcherintherye]

If I am honest with you, I don't see United or their fans being in any way "jealous" of the RS.

Quite the reverse....the RS are insanely jealous of United and this faux rivalry dates back to the 70s when the Kopites could not deal with the fact that despite all their success in the latter part of that decade, the often struggling Manchester United were always accorded more media adulation than they were.

Yes, United fans are "arrogant" and indeed they have reciprocated the RS hatred toward them.....but I never detect any jealousy.

What do they have to be jealous off?

In fact, I find very few fans of other clubs to be jealous of LFC.

They are lampooned endlessly and the whole nation seems to revel in their travails.

It is only the embedded cultists in the media seem to have any love for them.

And that RS/Manc "Derby" means an awful lot more to the RS than it does to the Mancs from what I can see.

It's funny really, but it's one of the few areas I do have a bit of agreement with the RS on. I think both clubs are obsessed with the other. I could never get over when I went to Uni United would be playing in Champions league quarter finals and when they played the pubs would be filled with people singing songs about hating scousers. You were talking about the best English club sides ever seen and you'd hear them singing songs about scousers everywhere they went. I could never get my head around it. When I asked them why there response was usually an illogical response about LFC.

It will only get worse. As both clubs fade into a shadow of what they once were the hatefulness associated with that "derby" will be the only thing that they have left. They will trade off that. It was embarrassing to see the way they made out a round of 16 knock out game in the losers European trophy was the biggest game of the season! Both sets of fans bought into it. The delusion has a material base. It is a refusal to accept changes in the world and to fetishise little things you keep that others don't have. Hatred and stupidity are the currency nobody can quite match in the way LFC and MUFC do.

So I'm afraid I have to disagree. Most people don't care about LFC but Manchester United do. In many ways the "scouse/Manc" rivalry thing was invented by them as well as much as it was by LFC.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Southampton - one major honour in their history - pathetic !!

 

[catcherintherye]

The media's branding of this game as the English Clasico is embarassing bordering on nauseating. Two mid table sides slugging it out in what has become one of the most boring fixtures in the calendar. Normally one of the team's completely roll over or it's a snore fest goalless draw. There hasn't been a decent evenly contested game that really meant something between those two in years. Best Derby currently in terms of excitement is probably the North London one, in terms of importance it has been the Tyne Wear of late in literally deciding relegation battles. The media can kid all they want but everyone knows that historically the Derby with the best atmosphere, most emotion round the game, most incident filled has been Everton Liverpool. It's a measure how far both teams have fallen though that rather than deciding leagues or trophies it's just jostling for a mid table slot. Sadly those balloons don't seem to realise where they are in the order of world football and still think they have a rivalry with Chelsea and City, and that Barcelona and Bayern are bothered when they are in the CL (the rare time this happens) in case they move ahead of their European cup total. Honestly couldn't make it up.

The Manchester/Liverpool match is basically a unique match for all the wrong reasons. Racism, glorifying songs about the dead, violence and thuggery. There is no fixture that can quite live up to it. There's an Oasis song that says something like "because we need each other, we believe in one another" which I think underpins it. Increasingly now they really do need one another as their image is increasingly built around violent opposition. As an Everton fan I'd love to see Liverpool relegated but I think United fans would miss them as it's a frame of reference.

As I indicated in the post above there is a material base and similarities to both clubs behaviour. Both clubs have fostered the idea that they are special as above the rules. If you want to stop songs about Hillsborough of Munich you need both clubs not just to condemn those songs (which they don't do enough) but also challenge the entitlement of both sets of fans that they are better than the rest.

As they both slip into relative obscurity you can see the anger of both sets of fans and a pride at being hateful coming through. For LFC fans being the most hateful towards MUFC (or vice versa) becomes a trophy in itself. Perversely though you need the other club to be seen as the biggest and best in that story, as nobody would hold anyone in great respect for building a narrative around hating Fleetwood. They both have identical views that they are conquering the great superpower and caste themselves in the David role against Goliath.

The only final point is you will see them starting to fetishise the things that make the match unique. Once this was because one of them were the best team in the country. Now that's patently not the case they will need to find something else. I suspect it will be all of the things I first mentioned, the racism, the violence, the scant disregard for human life. No other fans will stoop to their level so they will revel in it. You can already see it and then the slightly more intellectual crowd will condemn the opposing team while at the same time feed into the exact same conditions that lead to the behaviour of their own fans by telling them how special they are, what an amazing club they are and what an amazing match it is.

It is the sort of logic that leads to working class youth traipsing round with groups like the NF/BNP, a glorification of the worst bits of humanity. Lets be honest we know that in both cases that's essentially the social base of much of their support base. Narrow minded little thugs who want a punch up.

 

[mawders]

Nobody else does that salute because they don't want to look like a load of sad bellwhifs

 

[Minimeister]

The world best family unless you're black, disabled or just foreign. Or you live too near the ground and we'll throw you out your own house. Or have a ticket for the final when I don't so I'll smash your head in and take it off you. The club where local people own season tickets with no intention of going and sell them to daytrippers so other local people can't then go the game. What a great family club.

 

[Blues Harp]

The Manchester/Liverpool match is basically a unique match for all the wrong reasons. Racism, glorifying songs about the dead, violence and thuggery. There is no fixture that can quite live up to it. There's an Oasis song that says something like "because we need each other, we believe in one another" which I think underpins it. Increasingly now they really do need one another as their image is increasingly built around violent opposition. As an Everton fan I'd love to see Liverpool relegated but I think United fans would miss them as it's a frame of reference.

As I indicated in the post above there is a material base and similarities to both clubs behaviour. Both clubs have fostered the idea that they are special as above the rules. If you want to stop songs about Hillsborough of Munich you need both clubs not just to condemn those songs (which they don't do enough) but also challenge the entitlement of both sets of fans that they are better than the rest.

As they both slip into relative obscurity you can see the anger of both sets of fans and a pride at being hateful coming through. For LFC fans being the most hateful towards MUFC (or vice versa) becomes a trophy in itself. Perversely though you need the other club to be seen as the biggest and best in that story, as nobody would hold anyone in great respect for building a narrative around hating Fleetwood. They both have identical views that they are conquering the great superpower and caste themselves in the David role against Goliath.

The only final point is you will see them starting to fetishise the things that make the match unique. Once this was because one of them were the best team in the country. Now that's patently not the case they will need to find something else. I suspect it will be all of the things I first mentioned, the racism, the violence, the scant disregard for human life. No other fans will stoop to their level so they will revel in it. You can already see it and then the slightly more intellectual crowd will condemn the opposing team while at the same time feed into the exact same conditions that lead to the behaviour of their own fans by telling them how special they are, what an amazing club they are and what an amazing match it is.

It is the sort of logic that leads to working class youth traipsing round with groups like the NF/BNP, a glorification of the worst bits of humanity. Lets be honest we know that in both cases that's essentially the social base of much of their support base. Narrow minded little thugs who want a punch up.

You mention Manure to Rs fans and the bitterness just spills out ... they hate anyone who competes with them and they call us bitter... like your views on this

 

[Seathestars]

I wonder if their site has gone into meltdown yet with the latest news.

 

[AndyC]

If I am honest with you, I don't see United or their fans being in any way "jealous" of the RS.

Quite the reverse....the RS are insanely jealous of United and this faux rivalry dates back to the 70s when the Kopites could not deal with the fact that despite all their success in the latter part of that decade, the often struggling Manchester United were always accorded more media adulation than they were.

Yes, United fans are "arrogant" and indeed they have reciprocated the RS hatred toward them.....but I never detect any jealousy.

What do they have to be jealous off?

In fact, I find very few fans of other clubs to be jealous of LFC.

They are lampooned endlessly and the whole nation seems to revel in their travails.

It is only the embedded cultists in the media seem to have any love for them.

And that RS/Manc "Derby" means an awful lot more to the RS than it does to the Mancs from what I can see.

Spot on.
Where I work is mainly Manure fans and they are in no way jealous of anything about the RS, not one iota.
And they definitely despise them far, far more than they dislike us.

 

[Merseyzig]

I wonder if their site has gone into meltdown yet with the latest news.

which news? Genuine question.

 

[canuckblue]

Is this serious?

Is the "Klopp salute" to become an actual thing?

Immortalising the day they scored a late equaliser against the mighty.......Baggies

All that's missing is the synchronized clicking of heels....

 

[Saint Domingo]

They're flapping it over the prospect of us landing Emery or Koeman. They literally can't take it in. They just keep reverting back to their fail safe 'it will be Moyes O Neill or Unsworth'. If Moshiri lands the manager, sorts the stadium and starts investing in the team the meltdown amongst the RS will be unbelievable.