Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

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Ic usmanov joined i wonder if kroenke wpuld loosen the purse strings at arsenal.

If not they could be sinking with us spending money and several other sides also...

I think Moshiri sold to usmanov to buy us quickly due to other interest. If usmanov want to sell it may well be after moshiri has secured the remaining shares off bk etc...

it also may take kroenke a little time to move money around to buy out usmanov.
 

He was full of tosh around the time of Moshiri's investment, so far off the mark he is like a canadian watched toffee, incredible that people run with it, and when it doesn't happen its Everton's fault.
Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.
 
Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.

It is certainly easy to see the connection. Dont know enough about PL laws and stuff to know if they could have done it this way though.

But would be ace.
 
It is certainly easy to see the connection. Dont know enough about PL laws and stuff to know if they could have done it this way though.

But would be ace.
Everything is above board, all that needs to happen now is Usmanov sell his shares, then buy shares in Everton.
 
Forgetting any of the logistical side of it for a minute, do you not believe Usmanov would be interested in us? I know he's an Arsenal fan and obviously wants control of the club but Kroenke has such a firm hold that it'll probably never happen.

He's a passionate football man isn't he? So if it's really his dream to have full control of a football club, then it's surely possible no? He'll want to fulfil that dream and I mean the fella isn't getting any younger, he's 62.

Sorry if I'm just relaying what others have already said.

Please see my comments to @MoutsGoat which cover this.

Thanks for explaining that mate. Would the onus be on him to prove he did nothing wrong, or on them to prove he did?

The Board of the PL has the power to examine or enquire into any suspected breach of the rules. They also have the power to impose penalties. The "guilty" parties then have the right to appeal and to go to arbitration if necessary and there's the appropriate criteria for doing so.

Maybe Usmanov wanted to see if he gained more respect with 30% of shares rather than 15%?

Maybe Moshiri has come in, realised what a big job the whole thing is and rang his mate and asked for help?

Who even knows.

I for 1 welcome our new Russian overlord.

Usmanov knew before acquiring Moshiri's shares in R&W holdings that there would be no change in Kroenke's position re R&W's ability to be involved in the management of Arsenal or acquire board representation.

The point I'm making in all of this (and I agree with you no-one really knows Usmanov's intentions - even though "his people" are adamant he will retain his interest in Arsenal) is that if he was looking to divest from Arsenal and re-invest alongside Moshiri, then it is the most unusual and illogical way of doing it - a method that someone of his experience and access to professional resources would never consider doing, certainly never be advised to do it in this manner particularly in the prospect of a potential breach of rules and my final comment (ii) below.

Two final thoughts - (i) as close as Moshiri and Usmanov are, I think the events of the last few months are driven solely by Moshiri's desire to build a football club of his own accord, and (ii) perhaps more pertinently - there's no way Kroenke would acquire Usmanov's shares in the knowledge that Usmanov was then going to fund a competing club that had the potential to remove his club Arsenal from their eminent position - you just do not allow an adversary the opportunity to do something like that. Faced with this the only way Usmanov could sell would be to sell to a third party. The third party would recognise immediately the threat of Usmanov investing in Everton and draw the same conclusion.

Usmanov is locked into the position he holds. He may be very happy to be locked into that position, but even if he is not, it's almost impossible to conceive a way of divesting from Arsenal and reinvesting in another PL club.
 

Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.
Fox? What? Can you post/PM me a link where he said it, please? Preferably that WRD fella too.
 
Usmanov is locked into the position he holds. He may be very happy to be locked into that position, but even if he is not, it's almost impossible to conceive a way of divesting from Arsenal and reinvesting in another PL club.

Well from my limited view and I must stress how limited my view is, is it not a case of just simply selling his shares?
 
Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.
and a very good ITK on this very forum has said it's not happening!
 
and a very good ITK on this very forum has said it's not happening!

Different people have access to different information mate, very unlikely that two people who get passed along information will have the same person doing so to them

theirfore esk may be getting told certain things by someone who is not privy to the information someone else is, and vice versa
 
Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.
Whether it is happening or just a pipedream I can't see why everyone is getting in such a flap over this. If it happens then great, if not we are still in a much better position than 12 months ago so we should just enjoy the ride.
 

Well from my limited view and I must stress how limited my view is, is it not a case of just simply selling his shares?

Yes, but to whom?

Why would anyone buy 30% of a company owned by an autocrat and at the same time give Usmanov the freedom to build a competitor to Arsenal. You just do not allow a potential competitor that ability to compete.

There's 5 or 6 board rooms in the PL who must give thanks to Kroenke every night for locking Usmanov into a position of no influence or power. No investor in Arsenal is going to release the bird from the cage to build a competitor.
 
Please see my comments to @MoutsGoat which cover this.



The Board of the PL has the power to examine or enquire into any suspected breach of the rules. They also have the power to impose penalties. The "guilty" parties then have the right to appeal and to go to arbitration if necessary and there's the appropriate criteria for doing so.



Usmanov knew before acquiring Moshiri's shares in R&W holdings that there would be no change in Kroenke's position re R&W's ability to be involved in the management of Arsenal or acquire board representation.

The point I'm making in all of this (and I agree with you no-one really knows Usmanov's intentions - even though "his people" are adamant he will retain his interest in Arsenal) is that if he was looking to divest from Arsenal and re-invest alongside Moshiri, then it is the most unusual and illogical way of doing it - a method that someone of his experience and access to professional resources would never consider doing, certainly never be advised to do it in this manner particularly in the prospect of a potential breach of rules and my final comment (ii) below.

Two final thoughts - (i) as close as Moshiri and Usmanov are, I think the events of the last few months are driven solely by Moshiri's desire to build a football club of his own accord, and (ii) perhaps more pertinently - there's no way Kroenke would acquire Usmanov's shares in the knowledge that Usmanov was then going to fund a competing club that had the potential to remove his club Arsenal from their eminent position - you just do not allow an adversary the opportunity to do something like that. Faced with this the only way Usmanov could sell would be to sell to a third party. The third party would recognise immediately the threat of Usmanov investing in Everton and draw the same conclusion.

Usmanov is locked into the position he holds. He may be very happy to be locked into that position, but even if he is not, it's almost impossible to conceive a way of divesting from Arsenal and reinvesting in another PL club.


In many ways isn't the exit strategy of one going then the other following a more plausible way to get out of Arsenal for maximum return of investment then mate, IF your saying that should they think he was going to buy another club he wouldn't buy them, as it would strengthen a rival, then the exact level of scepticsm your having about this would be exactly what Usmanov would want isn't it?

IF both him and Moshiri tried to sell at the same time their R and W holdings then alarm bells would have sounded loud and clear
 
Different people have access to different information mate, very unlikely that two people who get passed along information will have the same person doing so to them

theirfore esk may be getting told certain things by someone who is not privy to the information someone else is, and vice versa

TBF, Esk has not claimed inside info on this, ( dont think), although he may well have some, but he has explained that if it was the intention, then it is a weird way of going about it.

And utterly illogical to boot.

And also a very difficult position to sell his Arsenal shares from.
 
Different people have access to different information mate, very unlikely that two people who get passed along information will have the same person doing so to them

theirfore esk may be getting told certain things by someone who is not privy to the information someone else is, and vice versa
you keep on believing then mate, it is all idle speculation in the event of there being no manager news!
 
Two very good itk's have said they've heard Usmanov is coming, Bluefox and WRD.

I find it astonishing some fans can't get their heads round Moshiri and Usmanov planning an exit from Arsenal to here from day one.

Shares were available this week, why wasn't Usmanov buying them if he's prepared to sit and wait it out at Arsenal, he's the one who needs them more than Kroneke does.

This has been planned from the being, I'm certain of it.

Has Bluefox said it too??
 

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