Farhad Moshiri

The Esk · May 27, 2016

orly said:
Would you grass????

lol Of course it would be amazing to have him as owner/part owner, but if that's the intent it's been a weird strategy to date.

catcherintherye · May 27, 2016

The Esk said:
40 shares were sold (I think by one shareholder who happened to have 40 shares exactly) in 2 trades, 23 and 17 shares respectively on Monday.
Kroenke picked up 23 shares on Wednesday.

I'm aware of the rumours re Usmanov and the source, whoever it doesn't seem logical to me that if Usmanov wanted to sell he'd go about it this way. Equally if as is suggested in some quarters this is part of a wider strategy to join Moshiri at Everton, I think the Premier League would look very carefully at the situation.

Forgive my ignorance mate but what can the PL do? I am not being flippant but it's a genuine question. If he were to sell all his shares to Kroenke and invest in Everton what realistically could they do? Why would this be a problem?

I can imagine it would only be a problem if he didn't sell all of his shares.

chazzle_dazzle · May 27, 2016

The Esk said:
I suspect he just has an order with his broker to pick up odd shares that become available, it's in his interests to keep the shareholder base as small as possible and known to him as it causes him less issues at AGM's.

From an ownership or control point of view it makes no difference at all, other than reducing the potential for shareholder unrest. I'd say it was a defensive strategy rather than offensive.

Sound, thanks for answering! I didnt think it would do much for him in terms of building and buying out Usmanov. Definitely makes sense to keep the shareholder base small for him.

orly · May 27, 2016

The Esk said:
lol Of course it would be amazing to have him as owner/part owner, but if that's the intent it's been a weird strategy to date.

Genuinely can't see it myself.

I do think eventually though Moshiri will get another investor on board - to be regularly at the top of the game now you need multi billionaires, it's crazy.

Arsenal is a seriously profitable long term hold for Usmanov with barely any further financial input - Kroenke is not movable by the looks of things either.

The Esk · May 27, 2016

catcherintherye said:
Forgive my ignorance mate but what can the PL do? I am not being flippant but it's a genuine question. If he were to sell all his shares to Kroenke and invest in Everton what realistically could they do? Why would this be a problem?

I can imagine it would only be a problem if he didn't sell all of his shares.

Firstly he'd have to sell all his Arsenal shares to have a significant stake in Everton (above 9.9%) and he'd have to sell to below 9.9% before he could acquire any Everton shares at all, but that's not the issue.

There would be concern that two parties acting in concert were effectively having significant ownership of 2 premier league clubs simultaneously which (i) is against PL rules and (ii) is seen as potentially damaging to the integrity of the whole league.

You are correct in saying that he could sell R&W's Arsenal holdings to Kroenke without the need for PL interference, but then if he was to acquire an interest in Everton, that would need approval and I'm certain the PL's lawyers would want to look very carefully at the situation to ensure the integrity of the PL was not brought into doubt.

chazzle_dazzle · May 27, 2016

orly said:
Genuinely can't see it myself.

I do think eventually though Moshiri will get another investor on board - to be regularly at the top of the game now you need multi billionaires, it's crazy.

Arsenal is a seriously profitable long term hold for Usmanov with barely any further financial input - Kroenke is not movable by the looks of things either.

Well his shares, by going at the £16,000 per share cost of the 40 the other day, come to £299,120,000.

very profitable!

evertonfootballclub · May 27, 2016

Should get Richard Branson on board and rebrand us the "Everton Virgins".

meagher94 · May 27, 2016

The Esk said:
Firstly he'd have to sell all his Arsenal shares to have a significant stake in Everton (above 9.9%) and he'd have to sell to below 9.9% before he could acquire any Everton shares at all, but that's not the issue.

There would be concern that two parties acting in concert were effectively having significant ownership of 2 premier league clubs simultaneously which (i) is against PL rules and (ii) is seen as potentially damaging to the integrity of the whole league.

You are correct in saying that he could sell R&W's Arsenal holdings to Kroenke without the need for PL interference, but then if he was to acquire an interest in Everton, that would need approval and I'm certain the PL's lawyers would want to look very carefully at the situation to ensure the integrity of the PL was not brought into doubt.

Forgetting any of the logistical side of it for a minute, do you not believe Usmanov would be interested in us? I know he's an Arsenal fan and obviously wants control of the club but Kroenke has such a firm hold that it'll probably never happen.

He's a passionate football man isn't he? So if it's really his dream to have full control of a football club, then it's surely possible no? He'll want to fulfil that dream and I mean the fella isn't getting any younger, he's 62.

Sorry if I'm just relaying what others have already said.

catcherintherye · May 27, 2016

The Esk said:
Firstly he'd have to sell all his Arsenal shares to have a significant stake in Everton (above 9.9%) and he'd have to sell to below 9.9% before he could acquire any Everton shares at all, but that's not the issue.

There would be concern that two parties acting in concert were effectively having significant ownership of 2 premier league clubs simultaneously which (i) is against PL rules and (ii) is seen as potentially damaging to the integrity of the whole league.

You are correct in saying that he could sell R&W's Arsenal holdings to Kroenke without the need for PL interference, but then if he was to acquire an interest in Everton, that would need approval and I'm certain the PL's lawyers would want to look very carefully at the situation to ensure the integrity of the PL was not brought into doubt.

Thanks for explaining that mate. Would the onus be on him to prove he did nothing wrong, or on them to prove he did?

catcherintherye · May 27, 2016

meagher94 said:
Forgetting any of the logistical side of it for a minute, do you not believe Usmanov would be interested in us? I know he's an Arsenal fan and obviously wants control of the club but Kroenke has such a firm hold that it'll probably never happen.

He's a passionate football man isn't he? So if it's really his dream to have full control of a football club, then it's surely possible no? He'll want to fulfil that dream and I mean the fella isn't getting any younger, he's 62.

Sorry if I'm just relaying what others have already said.

I don't for a minute believe this "I'm an Arsenal fan" malarkey. He may well be an Arsenal fan now but doubt when he was growing up in Russia he was. Of course he says he's an Arsenal fan now as it suits him and he has too. However he's not the equivalent of Bill Kenwright in his loyalty.

I also think he is a businessman first and foremost and if he sees a better potential opportunity don't think loyalty to a team he probably hadn't heard of 15 years ago will stop him. The question will be is this a better business opportunity.

The Mighty Quint · May 27, 2016

"This has been the first time that Usmanov has been mentioned to me. Been told by Xmas, so will have to see on timescales, but will definitely have full control of the club."

Neiler · May 27, 2016

Is there any difference from someone posting on here and someone posting on twitter - not really.

Mutzo Nutzo · May 27, 2016

Arsenal share prices are going to keep on rising - So if Usmanov treats it purely as a fiancila investment for hi

The Mighty Quint said:
"This has been the first time that Usmanov has been mentioned to me. Been told by Xmas, so will have to see on timescales, but will definitely have full control of the club."

*unzips