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Don't know if it's been mentioned but there's a pretty good article on Martinez' position on the BBC football page, written by Phil McNulty.
I'll get it for you mate...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36099285

Roberto Martinez: Everton boss faces critical FA Cup match
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By Phil McNulty

Chief football writer

  • 3 hours ago
  • From the sectionFootball
  • 122
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Roberto Martinez replaced David Moyes in the summer of 2013
Everton's abject display in the Merseyside derby defeat at Liverpool left manager Roberto Martinez fighting a growing crisis that threatens his future.

Martinez was already the subject of growing hostility from Everton's supporters before his popularity rating dipped even further after a lamentable showing in the 4-0 loss at Anfield.

It is against his backdrop of rising discontent that Martinez has one last shot at redemption in Saturday's FA Cup semi-final against Manchester United at Wembley.

Martinez not only has an increasingly angry fanbase to appease - although it may be too late for that after Wednesday's embarrassment - but a new billionaire powerbroker in Farhad Moshiri.

Is hapless Martinez's three-season reign all but over - or can he save himself in the FA Cup?

And why has it gone so badly wrong for Roberto Martinez?

Blue sky thinking or desperate delusion?
Martinez's permanent positivity is his trademark - but to maintain it, even exaggerate it, during this dreadful campaign has led to widespread criticism and mockery from Everton's fans, although the pathetic nature of the capitulation at Anfield was no laughing matter.

He wisely admitted the "embarrassment" of Anfield but has too often talked in glowing terms about performances that have left fans questioning whether they have attended the same game.

The Catalan's consistent use of the word "phenomenal" to describe routine events is now a stick with which he is regularly beaten, along with lines such as expressing his "incredible, incredible satisfaction" with a goalless draw at Crystal Palace.

The arrival of new majority shareholder Moshiri, who bought a 49.9% stake in February, brought this eyebrow-raising statement from Martinez when striker Romelu Lukaku was linked with a move away from Goodison Park: "Financially, we can compete with anyone in world football at this time."

Romelu Lukaku signed for £28m from Chelsea
The problem for Martinez, and indeed Moshiri, is that this statement will be put to the test this summer should Everton's under-achievement continue and the likes of Lukaku want better things.

BBC Sport pundit Chris Sutton received widespread support from fans on social media when, after the 1-0 defeat at Manchester United, he told BBC Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club: "He comes out and talks a pile of nonsense. 'We controlled the tempo' - is he mad? He's not watching the same game as everybody else and this is the frustration for the fans."

Martinez's hyperbole was even the subject of a quiz in the Liverpool Echo evening newspaper - where readers were asked to match his gushing phrases to unnamed players.

Gareth Barry was described as "one of the best English players ever" after the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg win against Manchester City while Tom Cleverley was labelled "one of the most sensational free transfers you are going to see in Premier League history" after victory at Stoke City.

Defender Stones was backed after a poor display against Swansea City with the claim he could be "one of the greatest players England has ever seen".

Everton defender John Stones signed from Barnsley in February 2013
Various players have had the title of "phenomenal" bestowed upon them from Ross Barkley to Aiden McGeady - who flouted the billing to such an extent he is currently on loan at Sheffield Wednesday.

This veritable blizzard of joyous news for Everton fans would ring true if they were competing for a place in the top four, which many believe they should with the squad at Martinez's disposal, rather than below mid-table with only four Premier League wins at Goodison Park this season.

Where Martinez sees blue sky, supporters study the reality of results (especially the humiliation of a derby thrashing) and look at thunderclouds overhead, although even he will struggle to see the sun poking through today.

When Martinez first arrived from Wigan in summer 2013 after winning the FA Cup but also taking them into the Championship, this outlook was regarded as a counterpoint to the perceived dourness of his predecessor David Moyes - now it has worn thin and has become one of the major criticisms levelled at him by an increasingly disillusioned fanbase.
 

I'll get it for you mate...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36099285

Roberto Martinez: Everton boss faces critical FA Cup match
_75507994_mc.jpg

By Phil McNulty

Chief football writer

  • 3 hours ago
  • From the sectionFootball
  • 122
_89359517_robertomartinez_getty-2.jpg

Roberto Martinez replaced David Moyes in the summer of 2013
Everton's abject display in the Merseyside derby defeat at Liverpool left manager Roberto Martinez fighting a growing crisis that threatens his future.

Martinez was already the subject of growing hostility from Everton's supporters before his popularity rating dipped even further after a lamentable showing in the 4-0 loss at Anfield.

It is against his backdrop of rising discontent that Martinez has one last shot at redemption in Saturday's FA Cup semi-final against Manchester United at Wembley.

Martinez not only has an increasingly angry fanbase to appease - although it may be too late for that after Wednesday's embarrassment - but a new billionaire powerbroker in Farhad Moshiri.

Is hapless Martinez's three-season reign all but over - or can he save himself in the FA Cup?

And why has it gone so badly wrong for Roberto Martinez?

Blue sky thinking or desperate delusion?
Martinez's permanent positivity is his trademark - but to maintain it, even exaggerate it, during this dreadful campaign has led to widespread criticism and mockery from Everton's fans, although the pathetic nature of the capitulation at Anfield was no laughing matter.

He wisely admitted the "embarrassment" of Anfield but has too often talked in glowing terms about performances that have left fans questioning whether they have attended the same game.

The Catalan's consistent use of the word "phenomenal" to describe routine events is now a stick with which he is regularly beaten, along with lines such as expressing his "incredible, incredible satisfaction" with a goalless draw at Crystal Palace.

The arrival of new majority shareholder Moshiri, who bought a 49.9% stake in February, brought this eyebrow-raising statement from Martinez when striker Romelu Lukaku was linked with a move away from Goodison Park: "Financially, we can compete with anyone in world football at this time."

Romelu Lukaku signed for £28m from Chelsea
The problem for Martinez, and indeed Moshiri, is that this statement will be put to the test this summer should Everton's under-achievement continue and the likes of Lukaku want better things.

BBC Sport pundit Chris Sutton received widespread support from fans on social media when, after the 1-0 defeat at Manchester United, he told BBC Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club: "He comes out and talks a pile of nonsense. 'We controlled the tempo' - is he mad? He's not watching the same game as everybody else and this is the frustration for the fans."

Martinez's hyperbole was even the subject of a quiz in the Liverpool Echo evening newspaper - where readers were asked to match his gushing phrases to unnamed players.

Gareth Barry was described as "one of the best English players ever" after the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg win against Manchester City while Tom Cleverley was labelled "one of the most sensational free transfers you are going to see in Premier League history" after victory at Stoke City.

Defender Stones was backed after a poor display against Swansea City with the claim he could be "one of the greatest players England has ever seen".

Everton defender John Stones signed from Barnsley in February 2013
Various players have had the title of "phenomenal" bestowed upon them from Ross Barkley to Aiden McGeady - who flouted the billing to such an extent he is currently on loan at Sheffield Wednesday.

This veritable blizzard of joyous news for Everton fans would ring true if they were competing for a place in the top four, which many believe they should with the squad at Martinez's disposal, rather than below mid-table with only four Premier League wins at Goodison Park this season.

Where Martinez sees blue sky, supporters study the reality of results (especially the humiliation of a derby thrashing) and look at thunderclouds overhead, although even he will struggle to see the sun poking through today.

When Martinez first arrived from Wigan in summer 2013 after winning the FA Cup but also taking them into the Championship, this outlook was regarded as a counterpoint to the perceived dourness of his predecessor David Moyes - now it has worn thin and has become one of the major criticisms levelled at him by an increasingly disillusioned fanbase.

Thanks for posting this. Good to know I have staff!
 
the first thing i did this morning was go to the 3 red i work with and say well done. just take the wind out of their sails. I agreed with everything they said, Klopp is genius, Coutinhio is a little magician and Origi is far superior to Rom. My only surprise given how amazing Liverpool are is that they only managed to score 4 against arguably the worst team in the prem at this moment in time who were down to 10 men and with no recognised CB for at least 30 minutes but seriously well done.

You might also care to remind them of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2191283/Roberto-Martinez-turned-Liverpool-job.html
 
Worth noting how many abject performances we've witnessed over the last year under the clown

6-3 against Chelsea
3-0 against Swansea in the Cup
3-0 against Southampton
2-0 Against Southampton
2-0 against Hull
2-0 against Stoke
2-0 against Sunderland
2-0 against Arsenal
2-0 Against Arsenal Again
4-0 Against Liverpool
2-0 Against Man City
3-0 Against Manchester United
1-0 Against Manchester United
2-1 against Swansea
1-0 Against West Brom
4-1 Against Arsenal in the cup
Kyiv Away

Touched by the gods. More entertaining that Barcelona allegedly
 

Seeing as Davek isn't here, I'll fill the giant orange shaped hole with what he'd probably be saying

- That defeat wasn't Martinez's fault, it was the fault of the clueless players who couldn't carry out his awesome tactical innovations well enough

- The supporters were also at fault for not being loud/passionate/patient (delete where appropriate) enough

- 72 Points

- We're in a Semi Final, so League results don't matter

- David Moyes got us to a Cup Final and had us finishing in the top half of the table, he was a bad manager

- Roberto Martinez has got us to a Semi Final but has us finishing in the bottom half, he's a good manager

- 72 Points

- Roberto has to stay because he has us playing the best football in the history of all time. The football is amazing and we should all be praising the ground Martinez walks on for bringing great togger back to the Goodison Park

- We don't have a problem with defending, and anyone who says otherwise is a disloyal plotter

- People only want Martinez gone because they are a bunch of knee jerk and entitled cry arses bothered by the fact we got destroyed by Liverpool in humiliating fashion. It has nothing to do with over 18 months of bad performances and poor tactics

- 72 Points, 72 Points, 72 Point, 72 POINTS!!!

Have I missed anything?

I actually think he would say that the derby game didn't matter, and never did, because the game that matters is the semi.
 
I have a question. Considering the fact we aren't winning games. considering we are putting poor performances every week. Considering the game last night, considering our players are picking up reds a bit more rapid then ever before. Considering the fans have clearly turned on them all.

what does Roberto actually say to the players today to change all of that for Saturday?
 
I have a question. Considering the fact we aren't winning games. considering we are putting poor performances every week. Considering the game last night, considering our players are picking up reds a bit more rapid then ever before. Considering the fans have clearly turned on them all.

what does Roberto actually say to the players today to change all of that for Saturday?
Probably nothing would be best mate.

Edit:

Correction: "Goodbye, i've been rightfully sacked", would be the best mate.
 

I have a question. Considering the fact we aren't winning games. considering we are putting poor performances every week. Considering the game last night, considering our players are picking up reds a bit more rapid then ever before. Considering the fans have clearly turned on them all.

what does Roberto actually say to the players today to change all of that for Saturday?

No one believe in him that is the problem. They showed it on the pitch.
 
I have a question. Considering the fact we aren't winning games. considering we are putting poor performances every week. Considering the game last night, considering our players are picking up reds a bit more rapid then ever before. Considering the fans have clearly turned on them all.

what does Roberto actually say to the players today to change all of that for Saturday?
Goodbye.
 
Bill Kenwright remains Everton chairman but power now lies elsewhere. Kenwright's shareholding was diluted to 12.16% in the deal that allowed Moshiri to take a 49.9% stake in the club. Everton's other main shareholder is Jon Woods with 8.90%. The other 29.04% is held by 10,163 shareholders.

if this is true then Kenwright has no say in the manager. If he does then i would ask the question as to why someone with so little control at the club can have such an important role.

Also if there is 29% minority, if they technically all asked, could they force the issue as they carry more weight combined than the two on the board?
 

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