Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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eddy said:
I know what you mean. Martinez has a philosophy of how the game should be played. It is the same philosophy here as it was
at Wigan. I think most teams would struggle to play to his philosophy. Other managers have a squad, or build a squad to perform to the best of their ability. The manager knows the teams strengths and weaknesses.

Our former manager made us hard to beat, Goodison was a difficult place to come to for visiting teams.
Other prem managers set up their teams to their strengths to get a result.

Martinez has a philosophy that he seems to think the team and whoever is in it should play to, it is like putting a square peg in a round hole at times yet he can`t or refuses to see this is not working with the players he has. I do not think his philosophy is suited to the English game, yet he persists with it. The players look totally disheartened.
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See thats the thing, the tactics technically are fine. you have 6 defensive players and 4 offensive, i see how that works. But then it sorta relates to my question, and the general question of why a team with 4 defenders and 2 holding midfielders leak goals every game? So yeah, i can see what McCarthy does, and i can see what he doesn't do but everyone seems to pile praise on Barry in the same role and yet he is no better at doing it, or at protecting anyone. It is almost like martinez has made him the lynchpin so the team doesn't function without him despite his limited effectivness.

Perhaps barry is good in that role and its his partner that is at fault, i havent exclusively watched him play only to make that thought. Perhaps playing with 2 holding doesn't work. Either way, there is a problem not addressed yet we have enough players to fix it in the future.
 
Ashtonian said:
See thats the thing, the tactics technically are fine. you have 6 defensive players and 4 offensive, i see how that works. But then it sorta relates to my question, and the general question of why a team with 4 defenders and 2 holding midfielders leak goals every game? So yeah, i can see what McCarthy does, and i can see what he doesn't do but everyone seems to pile praise on Barry in the same role and yet he is no better at doing it, or at protecting anyone. It is almost like martinez has made him the lynchpin so the team doesn't function without him despite his limited effectivness.

Perhaps barry is good in that role and its his partner that is at fault, i havent exclusively watched him play only to make that thought. Perhaps playing with 2 holding doesn't work. Either way, there is a problem not addressed yet we have enough players to fix it in the future.
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I think you're going deeper than Bobby ever has tbh. He sets them up a certain way and has no idea what to do if it doesn't work, and it doesn't work. Our full backs push on too much, Barry then sits in between the CB's which leaves us short in midfield. That's just one problem.
 
Ashtonian said:
See thats the thing, the tactics technically are fine. you have 6 defensive players and 4 offensive, i see how that works. But then it sorta relates to my question, and the general question of why a team with 4 defenders and 2 holding midfielders leak goals every game? So yeah, i can see what McCarthy does, and i can see what he doesn't do but everyone seems to pile praise on Barry in the same role and yet he is no better at doing it, or at protecting anyone. It is almost like martinez has made him the lynchpin so the team doesn't function without him despite his limited effectivness.

Perhaps barry is good in that role and its his partner that is at fault, i havent exclusively watched him play only to make that thought. Perhaps playing with 2 holding doesn't work. Either way, there is a problem not addressed yet we have enough players to fix it in the future.
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I think it boils down to poor management, this reflects now on the palyers.
When it doesnt work no plan b, when we go a goal up cant hold the lead close a game down
All down to poor management in my opinion, would of liked him to have been canned, see how these players
could perform without the flawed philosophy
 

Mickey said:
I think you're going deeper than Bobby ever has tbh. He sets them up a certain way and has no idea what to do if it doesn't work, and it doesn't work. Our full backs push on too much, Barry then sits in between the CB's which leaves us short in midfield. That's just one problem.
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I'm not really highlighting an issue per ce, because admittedly i don't watch individual players to figure that out but i'm just asking, does barry actually do the role he is meant to do or not, because McCarthy not doing it is clear to see to everyone.

If anything i am looking at the whole thing subjective rather than just typing MARTINEZ OUT over and over. granted i have zero faith he will change the problem of even fix it, but i'm just curious as to whether the biggest source of praise is actually justified or just a shiny part of a machine that doesn't work.
 
Ashtonian said:
I'm not really highlighting an issue per ce, because admittedly i don't watch individual players to figure that out but i'm just asking, does barry actually do the role he is meant to do or not, because McCarthy not doing it is clear to see to everyone.

If anything i am looking at the whole thing subjective rather than just typing MARTINEZ OUT over and over. granted i have zero faith he will change the problem of even fix it, but i'm just curious as to whether the biggest source of praise is actually justified or just a shiny part of a machine that doesn't work.
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I don't think the players actually matter in this set up, Messi would struggle because our plays too labourious and slow. The players somewhat get a free pass from me because of how poor our manager is wrt fitness, motivation etc. We'll see when a new manager comes in if we overhype players or not.

Praise from Booby Martinez is no praise, he gushes about everyone.
 

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