Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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ijjysmith said:
Indeed. People I talk to at work have no idea about him.
Even on a night out the other week got talking to one of her mates' boyfriends and he was like 'at least you've got a good manager'.

I walked out then.
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I get this often from Boro fans. 'But your in a semi final' they say. But what they fail to realise is that thats a measurement of success for them not us.
 

allen said:
That's it though, isn't it? It's basically us working ourselves into a lather without an outlet to the board.
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Thats the basis of all social media....people work themselves up into a lather about their particular grouse, be it their football club, or politics, or morality, rather like they used to spread graffiti on any spare bit of wall they could find. Problem with being manager of a football club with a large passionate fan base is that its pretty usual for everyone(well, the majority) to love you when you're winning but hate you and paint you as the devil incarnate if you go on a losing streak. Its happened at some time to all the best managers. Similarly, its common for the players to take the credit if the team plays well/wins, but all blame shifts to the manager if the team loses. ' It was the players what won it, not Martinez' and 'We lost...its Martinez fault' are phrases, or similar which pop up often on here. Supporters can be compared with pom pom wearing cheerleaders when their team is winning, or herds of bloodthirsty , rabid wolves wanting to(symbolicaly) tear the manager limb from limb if the team loses a few.
The managers office must be a very lonely place sometimes. I don't know whether the sack is imminent for Martinez or not....football managers have a short but financially fruitful life at most clubs.Some of the experienced Prem managers...Pulis, Allardyce, even Bruce when he was in the Prem, and others from different levels like WArnock and McCarthy seem to be able to roll with the punches, come up smiling, and move on to the next job easily. I don't think Martinez is like that....losing his job at Everton will hit him hard, because he is/was intent on creating his vision over a number of years. We can write all we want on here, or on facebook or wherever...the real decision makers are the owners and the board at Everton, and to some extent Martinez himself. Win the Cup and beat Liverpool, and keep all our 'big' players, and bad times are soon forgotten. It is a tough call for him, but Alex Ferguson was once one game from the sack, and didn't Adrian Heath save an Everton managers job once upon a time? Next manager? someone who wants to build and at the same time be successful. Not a Mourhino style mercenary please, but someone who expects to be in the job for a long time. Unless of course, footballs different now and managers are not allowed more than three years, whatever.
 

Martinez has had fantastic resources thrown at him and turned us into Wigan mk II.

Anybody thinking he could turn it around clearly hasn't see the last few games.
 
Steve Wigan said:
Thats the basis of all social media....people work themselves up into a lather about their particular grouse, be it their football club, or politics, or morality, rather like they used to spread graffiti on any spare bit of wall they could find. Problem with being manager of a football club with a large passionate fan base is that its pretty usual for everyone(well, the majority) to love you when you're winning but hate you and paint you as the devil incarnate if you go on a losing streak. Its happened at some time to all the best managers. Similarly, its common for the players to take the credit if the team plays well/wins, but all blame shifts to the manager if the team loses. ' It was the players what won it, not Martinez' and 'We lost...its Martinez fault' are phrases, or similar which pop up often on here. Supporters can be compared with pom pom wearing cheerleaders when their team is winning, or herds of bloodthirsty , rabid wolves wanting to(symbolicaly) tear the manager limb from limb if the team loses a few.
The managers office must be a very lonely place sometimes. I don't know whether the sack is imminent for Martinez or not....football managers have a short but financially fruitful life at most clubs.Some of the experienced Prem managers...Pulis, Allardyce, even Bruce when he was in the Prem, and others from different levels like WArnock and McCarthy seem to be able to roll with the punches, come up smiling, and move on to the next job easily. I don't think Martinez is like that....losing his job at Everton will hit him hard, because he is/was intent on creating his vision over a number of years. We can write all we want on here, or on facebook or wherever...the real decision makers are the owners and the board at Everton, and to some extent Martinez himself. Win the Cup and beat Liverpool, and keep all our 'big' players, and bad times are soon forgotten. It is a tough call for him, but Alex Ferguson was once one game from the sack, and didn't Adrian Heath save an Everton managers job once upon a time? Next manager? someone who wants to build and at the same time be successful. Not a Mourhino style mercenary please, but someone who expects to be in the job for a long time. Unless of course, footballs different now and managers are not allowed more than three years, whatever.
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Footballs different in a way now where you won't get the good players hanging around. That's just the way it is now. Also 3 years is ample time to see improvement which just isn't there at the moment.
 
Steve Wigan said:
Thats the basis of all social media....people work themselves up into a lather about their particular grouse, be it their football club, or politics, or morality, rather like they used to spread graffiti on any spare bit of wall they could find. Problem with being manager of a football club with a large passionate fan base is that its pretty usual for everyone(well, the majority) to love you when you're winning but hate you and paint you as the devil incarnate if you go on a losing streak. Its happened at some time to all the best managers. Similarly, its common for the players to take the credit if the team plays well/wins, but all blame shifts to the manager if the team loses. ' It was the players what won it, not Martinez' and 'We lost...its Martinez fault' are phrases, or similar which pop up often on here. Supporters can be compared with pom pom wearing cheerleaders when their team is winning, or herds of bloodthirsty , rabid wolves wanting to(symbolicaly) tear the manager limb from limb if the team loses a few.
The managers office must be a very lonely place sometimes. I don't know whether the sack is imminent for Martinez or not....football managers have a short but financially fruitful life at most clubs.Some of the experienced Prem managers...Pulis, Allardyce, even Bruce when he was in the Prem, and others from different levels like WArnock and McCarthy seem to be able to roll with the punches, come up smiling, and move on to the next job easily. I don't think Martinez is like that....losing his job at Everton will hit him hard, because he is/was intent on creating his vision over a number of years. We can write all we want on here, or on facebook or wherever...the real decision makers are the owners and the board at Everton, and to some extent Martinez himself. Win the Cup and beat Liverpool, and keep all our 'big' players, and bad times are soon forgotten. It is a tough call for him, but Alex Ferguson was once one game from the sack, and didn't Adrian Heath save an Everton managers job once upon a time? Next manager? someone who wants to build and at the same time be successful. Not a Mourhino style mercenary please, but someone who expects to be in the job for a long time. Unless of course, footballs different now and managers are not allowed more than three years, whatever.
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Long winded way of saying that if he wins the cup you forgive him for turning us into a joke
 
ianefc said:
This is an Everton fan. A fan so desperate to be right about Martinez he says this sort of Guff

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I honestly can't stand stuff like this. Not only is it an aversion to success born out of a defence mechanism that is so ingrained into people's psyches that they mistakenly believe that being a second or third tier club is what represents Everton's identity, but these people seem to have a bizarre delusion that Everton pay their multi-million pound salaried players with rainbow peanuts or something.

It's a total joke that some Evertonians think that we are the last bastion of virtue when it comes to being a football club. No, we have long since been part of the same capitalist footballing system, in which clubs make use of money to build their clubs. It's absolutely ridiculous the way some people think we are somehow different to other clubs when our wage bill is about 80 million pound a year or something, and when we REGULARLY snatch players off smaller clubs through offering them MONEY!

Selling our soul, what a load of rubbish!
 
Kenwright has said to a fan on the train Martinez will be the manager next season, mosheri was with him, if I find the link I will post it up.

Nightmare
 

Steve Wigan said:
Thats the basis of all social media....people work themselves up into a lather about their particular grouse, be it their football club, or politics, or morality, rather like they used to spread graffiti on any spare bit of wall they could find. Problem with being manager of a football club with a large passionate fan base is that its pretty usual for everyone(well, the majority) to love you when you're winning but hate you and paint you as the devil incarnate if you go on a losing streak. Its happened at some time to all the best managers. Similarly, its common for the players to take the credit if the team plays well/wins, but all blame shifts to the manager if the team loses. ' It was the players what won it, not Martinez' and 'We lost...its Martinez fault' are phrases, or similar which pop up often on here. Supporters can be compared with pom pom wearing cheerleaders when their team is winning, or herds of bloodthirsty , rabid wolves wanting to(symbolicaly) tear the manager limb from limb if the team loses a few.
The managers office must be a very lonely place sometimes. I don't know whether the sack is imminent for Martinez or not....football managers have a short but financially fruitful life at most clubs.Some of the experienced Prem managers...Pulis, Allardyce, even Bruce when he was in the Prem, and others from different levels like WArnock and McCarthy seem to be able to roll with the punches, come up smiling, and move on to the next job easily. I don't think Martinez is like that....losing his job at Everton will hit him hard, because he is/was intent on creating his vision over a number of years. We can write all we want on here, or on facebook or wherever...the real decision makers are the owners and the board at Everton, and to some extent Martinez himself. Win the Cup and beat Liverpool, and keep all our 'big' players, and bad times are soon forgotten. It is a tough call for him, but Alex Ferguson was once one game from the sack, and didn't Adrian Heath save an Everton managers job once upon a time? Next manager? someone who wants to build and at the same time be successful. Not a Mourhino style mercenary please, but someone who expects to be in the job for a long time. Unless of course, footballs different now and managers are not allowed more than three years, whatever.
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Have you heard of this marvelous new invention called the paragraph?
Makes reading things so much easier than when it's in a block of text.
 
kiss the crest said:
Kenwright has said to a fan on the train Martinez will be the manager next season, mosheri was with him, if I find the link I will post it up.

Nightmare
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It's already in here, few pages back.

As grim reading as it is, hardly a surprise he didn't tell two supporters on the 9:50 to London Euston that he's sacking the manager.
 
kiss the crest said:
Kenwright has said to a fan on the train Martinez will be the manager next season, mosheri was with him, if I find the link I will post it up.

Nightmare
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do you really believe they'd just tell a random fan that mate? and even if they did do you really think they'd tell him the truth.

In short, they wouldn't.
 

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