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Martinez in or out?

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We are so poor at "dead ball situations" and crosses and Scumberto still is so stubborn to constantly play it long just to lose the ball insted of playing it short and play the ball like he loves. I don't get it
No need to call him names like 'scumberto' mate. I'm also firmly in the 'Martinez out' camp, but can't see the point of namecalling. Still convinced that for all his faults, he's genuinely proud of being manager of Everton
 
My thoughts from last night;

1. Tactically martinez is terrible. starting Kone in a role he dropped him out of for being ineffective a few months ago, before going back to that tactic is just signs that he has no other way of playing. The tactic doesn't work because Kone spends his time going centrally, leaving a huge gap on the left hand side. This then limits baines role in the team because he has to then cover the space, meaning he cannot get forward as much as he should be. How after so long of this tactic not working, can martinez just decide to change things?

2. Not resting players. See here is a thought more than anything else. We play 4 games in what 9/10 days? Luakaku and ross will play in all of them, why? People question why these players are innefective or not looking interested yet they play 90 minutes every week without any time off, considering they are young, that takes its toll surely? Last night would have been a perfect time to rest rom ahead of tougher games, instead he will be asked to perform that role another 3 times by next weekend, so when he turns up at wembley looking a little 'cant be arsed', that's why.

3. The standards have dropped so much, from not needing to defend a lead vs west ham to hanging on against a side who is amazingly worse than us was shocking. we should be beating palace even with 10 men, we did it against a much better west ham, so why does the team then have to put everyone behind the ball against a team who for all intents and purposes may not have scored even if they were still playing? apart from one counter, we had nothing going forward after that, not suprising really.

4. 2 years ago palace beat us to hamper our chances of 4th, the fact that we were hanging onto a draw against them to stop going 15th should tell you all you need to know about how the future pans out for us now. the good thing is that this is ending his time here, but at the same time, i wanted us to show something a little more passion or fight to the game, not fear.


Overall i dont think the red card should have made a difference, it didnt a month ago so why now? It is games like this that amaze me how bad we really are, 3 wingers on bench and choose to play none, ask lukaku to essentially take on the whole defence by himself with no-one near him by the second half, no resting of key players ahead of bigger games to play, not changing tactics to suit the team, just not playing with any passion.

I had a little conversation on here before the game about not caring about the result, then we get to see that. That is why i don't care about the game right now, its just going through motions, its players just not wanting to get injured before the summer now, the ones in the shop window are there already even if they play badly. I just think that despite all of the negativity or positiveity you can have now about cups, the biggest harming factor will be the fact the same team and players are playing every single game without breaks even in April so even if Martinez gets it spot on in the semi final, chances are the team will be knackered by the end of it to even be able to keep up with united.

they are my thoughts anyway, also McCarthys first red card in 200 or so games, thats not quite the same as mirallas 2 red cards this season alone.
I agree mate spot on, the club can surely hear the screams and shouts from Goodison to the u21 game to social media and the fans forums, its getting past the point of frustration now its getting boring. For the good of the club and the fans health get rid today!! There isn't one single reason to keep him NOT ONE. He's had time, money, backing from the fans, talented young players, 3 years to build a team, in fact he's had it better than any other manager for us the last 25-30 years and look were we are!!!!!!!! A couple of places better than Mike Walker did, Disgraceful at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
It's really hard to understand why our home form is so terrible, especially when you look at our away form. Won 5, drawn 9 and lost 2 (24 points). I don't think it would have been unrealistic to expect us to win at the very least half of our home games drawn most of the games we didn't win. That would have been a very decent season

Our home form has been a shambles.
 
All those wanting him gone now are unrealistic. He will stay till after the semi and if we win he is here till the summer. Winning the cup is enough to save his job but there is no other way I see him here next season given the lack of effort in the last 4 games. We finally turned up for the opening 7 minutes of the 2nd half last night then the McCarthy brainfart meant we had little option but to try and hold out for a draw.

I think we need to accept that while we may fluke a win on Saturday we will get battered next week at the pit and the whole season depends on winning the semi. Just hope given he said last night we have lots of tired legs that he makes sure he rotates the side in the next 2 games to keep the players fresh or we are as good as beaten before we set foot on the pitch. Sadly I have no faith in him any more and expect we will have players playing who will have had 4 games in the 14 days leading up to Wembley.

It is going to be a fascinating summer, money to spend and probably a new manager. Just hope the man they appoint can talk our better players into staying not leaving for pastures new.
 

It's really hard to understand why our home form is so terrible, especially when you look at our away form. Won 5, drawn 9 and lost 2 (24 points). I don't think it would have been unrealistic to expect us to win at the very least half of our home games drawn most of the games we didn't win. That would have been a very decent season

Our home form has been a shambles.

Mate it's not hard at all, at home we play the way the manager sets out to and wants to, possession based football, the opponent tends to sit back and look to counter us, and also look to put pressure on the cb's and not let us play it out from the back - forcing mistakes, and since the end of the first season every team has gotten on to the fact that you do that vs us we unravel. we also don't pres so a team sitting deep has it easy vs us and can play it out with no trouble

Away from home their is the pressure on the opponent to come out at us, meaning we are 'tighter' at the back as their isn't massive gaps between the midfield and defence and it allows us to hit them on the counter, and we have a fair bit of pace in Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley and Lennon and Lukaku has more space in behind them which is his strength running into it
 
Relax and see the bigger picture.

This season is a PL write-off, it may go down in folklore if we win the Cup, but the changes we will see and the advances we will make over the summer will be far more significant.

We are decree nisi, waiting for decree absolute.

I am calling it now. It,s Bill keeping Brown shoes in his job and would,nt it be ironic that Bill,s failure to sack him now will seal his legacy.
 
Maybe. But that makes it below par for your average football manager.
My mate told me that Tranmere players used to openly laugh at Johnny King (RIP) when he was giving team talks. That's their most successful manager.
Huge chunk of our fanbase want a manager who calls himself 'the special one'. That would have you marked down as a potential serial killer in different circumstances.
Best not to listen to any of them.

It took a big leap but you managed to link Martinez to a successful manager. Well successful at tranmere
 
All those wanting him gone now are unrealistic. He will stay till after the semi and if we win he is here till the summer. Winning the cup is enough to save his job but there is no other way I see him here next season given the lack of effort in the last 4 games. We finally turned up for the opening 7 minutes of the 2nd half last night then the McCarthy brainfart meant we had little option but to try and hold out for a draw.

I think we need to accept that while we may fluke a win on Saturday we will get battered next week at the pit and the whole season depends on winning the semi. Just hope given he said last night we have lots of tired legs that he makes sure he rotates the side in the next 2 games to keep the players fresh or we are as good as beaten before we set foot on the pitch. Sadly I have no faith in him any more and expect we will have players playing who will have had 4 games in the 14 days leading up to Wembley.

It is going to be a fascinating summer, money to spend and probably a new manager. Just hope the man they appoint can talk our better players into staying not leaving for pastures new.

to be honest mate i think even if he wins the cup he will be sacked at this point. If you have any business interest in everton whatsoever, especially if you have invested your own money,l you cant ignore the league form. Remember 3 wins since boxing day and two of them are the bottom two teams in the league. So realistically the gap between wins against teams not going down is september to february, and it has stopped again. That is sackable form for anyone with even the slightest bit of ambition, beating a few lower league teams on route to a cup shouldnt change that, just give the new man a platform to build from.
 

It's really hard to understand why our home form is so terrible, especially when you look at our away form. Won 5, drawn 9 and lost 2 (24 points). I don't think it would have been unrealistic to expect us to win at the very least half of our home games drawn most of the games we didn't win. That would have been a very decent season

Our home form has been a shambles.

In fact, this had me thinking and I'vehad a bit of a rummage. Although I'm not a fan of comparing Martinez to Moyes, I'm going to use this as an example.

Apart from our 4th place finish, I think we all agree Moyes' best league season was 07/08, we finished 5th on 63 points. If you look at our away record from that season, we gained 28 points on the road, only 4 more than we've gained so far away this.

Our general away from this season is good. If anything, this makes our home form look even worse. We could have had a great season this year
 
Commentary from last nights game said that our away losses compared to our home losses this season is the biggest disparity in premiership history
 
Maybe. But that makes it below par for your average football manager.
My mate told me that Tranmere players used to openly laugh at Johnny King (RIP) when he was giving team talks. That's their most successful manager.
Huge chunk of our fanbase want a manager who calls himself 'the special one'. That would have you marked down as a potential serial killer in different circumstances.
Best not to listen to any of them.

That's it. I'm now fully convinced you're Davek
 
All of the targets I'm aware of are currently managing other clubs, so yes you are correct.

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