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Did someone not post on here that there are seven clubs in the EPL which have better away records than us this season?

We're currently 19th in the home games only table, 6th in the away one.

So we're not really Barcelona away from home as some make out. It's definitely decent, but we're close to our average league position for the last 15 years.
 

I didn't make out its been its been anything but respectable, but to say its consistently better is a bit of a stretch.

The away form hasn't been terrible by any means, the fact we have only lost 2 away is nothing to be laughed at. We have won 5 and drew 8. How many of them draws have been attained by winning positions? The away form could have been better if we didn't draw so many games from winning positions.

The way form is respectable. To say its anything more then that is a bit of a step beyond.

It's consistently better in perspective. as you've just said, the away form is respectable. And, as I said and admit; the home form is abysmal.

Perspective mate....
 
Reading the West ham forum thread on us yesterday pretty much summed up what we are, just a team that exist to most people. As one of them put it 'if everton disbanded one summer, you wouldn't notice until christmas'. and 'you only notice them when you come and play them'.

If anything, without sounding too dramatic, it might be a statement of intent to other fans if we sacked martinez outright no matter if we won the cup or not. Send the message that it wasn't good enough for everton and we are looking for a new manager. Least give us a day of being on the headline, then make another with an ambitious recruitment.
 
He'll get a lot worse abuse at Goodison and likely the pit but its a bit out of order to have a go at him when he's watching the U21s. One of his better qualities is that he takes an interest in developing younger players. He doesn't need to be there tonight, and plenty of managers in his position would have stayed well away.

"Getting sacked in the morning" when we are 3 or 4-0 down there, the thought fills me with dread!
 
Away form has been respectable. Put it this way, if it had been 'fortress Goodison' this season, we'd be flying. However it hasn't been, and the home form has been abysmal, but to try and make out the away form hasn't been respectable is ludicrous.
I think respectable is a fair asssesment of it to be fair. It's the joint 6th best away record in the league, along with 2 other teams. So our away form is pretty much in line with what we would expect our overall form to be like I suppose. Not really good enough to be crowing about I would say.
 

Reading the West ham forum thread on us yesterday pretty much summed up what we are, just a team that exist to most people. As one of them put it 'if everton disbanded one summer, you wouldn't notice until christmas'. and 'you only notice them when you come and play them'.

If anything, without sounding too dramatic, it might be a statement of intent to other fans if we sacked martinez outright no matter if we won the cup or not. Send the message that it wasn't good enough for everton and we are looking for a new manager. Least give us a day of being on the headline, then make another with an ambitious recruitment.
Funnily enough that's how I always think of West Ham. About as nothing as you can get.
 
The atmosphere will be toxic against Southampton, get rid now and put Big Dunc in charge til the end of the season, the crowd will be right behind the team and we'll probably get more points than we will with this clown still in charge.

These last 2 seasons have shown why the sooner we see the back of Kenwright the better. Absolutely no ambition from him and the other lot. I respect Moshiri has only been at the club since feb/march but he must have seen our poor form all season long he needs to step up and get rid.
 
It's consistently better in perspective. as you've just said, the away form is respectable. And, as I said and admit; the home form is abysmal.

Perspective mate....
The mantra is 'win your homes, draw your aways', right? So, in that regard, it is respectable as you say. Its the absolute abomination of our home form that is the problem.


Along with throwing away leads, not having a single idea how to defend basically, figuring out why 2 DM's in EVERY match don't really help, set pieces on both sides, pressing, closing down and fitness in general.
 
Funnily enough that's how I always think of West Ham. About as nothing as you can get.
aye it probably works across different view points mate. for me personally, Villa was always just that team that we played (but hated also), same as west brom. until they have reason to then they generally don't stand out at all, stoke/brom/norwich/sunderland results i always seem to gloss over when looking on sky sports lol
 

The reason for the difference in our away results compared to our home form is obvious to a blind man

Away from the home the opposition will generally come at us more and leave space in behind and we're a decent side on the counter with pace and a quality striker.

At home sides sit in more and we get caught with the converse by over loading going forwards and leaving our backline exposed. We're also generally not great at breaking sides down when they park the bus.

Hardly a complex conundrum is it?

There's also a factor that is universal to both our home and away form - our defensive frailty
 
The reason for the difference in our away results compared to our home form is obvious to a blind man

Away from the home the opposition will generally come at us more and leave space in behind and we're a decent side on the counter with pace and a quality striker.

At home sides sit in more and we get caught with the converse by over loading going forwards and leaving our backline exposed. We're also generally not great at breaking sides down when they park the bus.

Hardly a complex conundrum is it?

There's also a factor that is universal to both our home and away form - our defensive frailty

This. People who blame the fans for it have an obvious agenda.
 
Reading the West ham forum thread on us yesterday pretty much summed up what we are, just a team that exist to most people. As one of them put it 'if everton disbanded one summer, you wouldn't notice until christmas'. and 'you only notice them when you come and play them'.

If anything, without sounding too dramatic, it might be a statement of intent to other fans if we sacked martinez outright no matter if we won the cup or not. Send the message that it wasn't good enough for everton and we are looking for a new manager. Least give us a day of being on the headline, then make another with an ambitious recruitment.

That's what people think about West Ham too.

Everton need to sack Martinez and get a proper proven manager to make a statement of intent.
 
The call for white handkerchiefs, by Liam Seaman

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Well, it looks like we’ve finally gone into complete meltdown mode and if we’re all honest; it’s been coming for a while. After Martinez’ make-or-break week earlier in the season, which ended with a home defeat to Swansea in the league and a limp exit away to Man City in the league cup, everything has been pretty dire. Now, in the interest of fairness, I should say that the first half performance at the Britannia (handing us our first win of the season against a top-half side) and the FA Cup quarter final against Chelsea are particular bright spots in the memory, yet they provided nothing but short-lived relief from the chronic disappointment that is this season.

Things behind the scenes at the club appear to be very worrying indeed. Rumours of a player mutiny during a recent training session, with captain Phil Jagielka supposedly having lead the players off the field, smack of disharmony between the players and the methods used by the coaching staff. Furthermore, twice this season one of our most respected and seasoned professionals, Leighton Baines, has spoken to the press about his utter disappointment. He called into question the squad’s game management following the capitulation away to Chelsea, and most recently claimed a lack of chemistry is behind the team’s failings. Regardless of how much Roberto tried to backtrack and throw us off the scent during his presser, when a seasoned pro is airing his views to the media about such crucial matters, it becomes evident that the gaffer has lost the dressing room.

Roberto’s press conferences, which should provide fans with an insight into the goings on at the club, are becoming more and more incomprehensible, to the point that it is now difficult to watch them, whilst his excuses for our poor performances are becoming increasingly laughable; his latest excuse being the FA Cup, ironically the only thing that is still keeping him in a job. Not once has Roberto addressed his own failings, but unfortunately that seems to be the fundamental flaw in his management; he appears to be more interested in self-preservation and less interested in doing what is right for the squad and the club as a whole.

With his tenure at breaking point, and a large number of fans so over his bullshit that any attempt to regain their confidence would be futile, discussion has inevitably turned to what we as a fan base can do. There has been much talk across the various social media platforms about staging some form of protest against the current management team, with suggestions ranging from erecting banners, to hiring a plane, to even staging a full-on walkout at Goodison Park. However, there is an issue with these methods; they’ve all been done before. Banners and jeers are typically skimmed over by the media, and ever since the first walkout over ticket prices at Anfield, the novelty of such a protest seems to have worn off; Aston Villa’s walkout garnered almost no coverage whatsoever. It is originality that garners interest.

Any serious media scrutiny over Roberto Martinez’ mismanagement of this Everton squad has, much to the justified chagrin of our supporters, been conspicuously absent. That is why the originality of a protest has become a necessity. Give the media something original to talk about, and it brings the serious issues at the club to the foreground of national media conversation. Enter: The white handkerchief.

The tool of choice in Spanish football, for years utilised to demonstrate supporter disgust at current management. No need for boos that can be misinterpreted and turned into something else during a press conference, no need for banners that can make a fan base appear broken into factions and no need for walkouts that can make players feel at fault; just so simple an action as waving a white handkerchief that when performed by a whole crowd is truly impressively devastating. Last season at the Anoeta (Real Sociedad’s old-school stadium), I witnessed the Basque fans wave their white handkerchiefs alongside the roar of complete and utter disgust from the crowd when Jagoba Arrasate’s time at the club had come to an end in their eyes. It was extraordinary, and that is exactly what we need.

It’s time to give the manager a wake up call. Just imagine being stood on the touchline at Goodison, which is such an intense, impressive and domineering stadium in itself, and seeing waving white handkerchiefs stretching from the Gwladys Street all the way to the Park End. Imagine knowing exactly what it means. Imagine the emotions that it would conjure up. A gesture borrowed from your homeland and used by your supporters to show you’ve gone seriously wrong in your management. That would make the news.

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