Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[4737carlin]

He is, he ain't soft he knows a fluke win at the pit would keep him in the job in the eyes of our luvvy chairman and some of our fan base. It's how small time we have actually become over the years.

Not sure about that mate, that game is a bit meaningless now compared to what it would of been if it was played earlier in the season and also the semi, yeah be great to win it but on the scale of things it wont make any differance to either of us as far as this season goes.

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

That question about whether you would see Everton lose a game to get rid of Martinez should be answered as if you have smallpox and need to take a minute shot of smallpox in order for you to not die of smallpox

 

[mkrudden]

That question about whether you would see Everton lose a game to get rid of Martinez should be answered as if you have smallpox and need to take a minute shot of smallpox in order for you to not die of smallpox

Which game have you got in mind Jimmy? The Derby or the semi final?

 

[peteblue]

I don't like the fact that the papers etc are now having a go at Roberto. The pressure must be intense and this can make people take the wrong decisions. If I were to offer any advice to him I would say get the lads together, tell them you've made mistakes, forget the positives and point out what needs to be sorted, get angry with them if needed, sort out the bloody defence in training and then tell them to enjoy their football........then batter the RS into the earth...........

 

[evertony]

You won't be on your own with that opinion.

I'm not sure myself.

If you was a journalist looking to ascertain/understand fan sentiment, how would you get it?

I'd look at different facets because as you acknowledged, no medium is ever representative of the entire.

Discontent at the match would be key, but discontent is discontent. Some clubs have a tendency to be vocal with discontent, others sit there and mumble that it's not in their nature.

I'd say the more savvy in the media world appreciate that. A lot of journalists read here, many pundits follow GOT's social accounts. Jamie Carragher follows GrandOldTeam to gauge sentiment (or in his own words, to see if the natives are getting restless). The same is true for your Stan Collymore etc, they don't track GOT for our wisdom, they do so to be informed on fan sentiment.

GOT is Everton's biggest fan site. There's been a very notable increase in angst and discontent towards the manager on here since around November. It has also been very notable on all our social platforms - If you asked every person in Goodison at the weekend if they had a Facebook, Twitter or Instagram profile, how many would say yes? We're the biggest Everton fan page on all of them.

I'm rambling now, my overall point is although there will be a gap between match going fans and fans on GOT, I don't think it will be that significant. Perhaps interesting is on Monday - a thread on here regarding a potential Martinez out banner at Watford;

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-out-banner-at-watford.86774/

It happened.

As a side, there is a common view that fans who post on forums do so because they're not local and/or match going fans.

Our Liverpool traffic is very significant;

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Great information and very interesting to boot.
I can sense that the media are picking up on forums and social media discontent, and for me that's not good for our Club. I understand why some want the Manager dumped, and I can see the fixture pile up of April is going to be the defining element. It's pure bad luck on RM's part to have so many games in so short a time, and the Derby timing just a few days before the Semi-Final could be the killer. Conversely, it could also be the stay of execution and potentially the royal pardon if we beat them lot and progress to the Final and win it.
Spoke to a big Man City STH today and he said there were very strong rumours around the Etihad yesterday that a deal with Pellegrini has been 'done'. Interesting that he said "you'd be foolish...he has no plan B....his subs are never game changing and he always replaces like-for-like.... Mancini on the other hand..."

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

Which game have you got in mind Jimmy? The Derby or the semi final?

I was thinking more on the lines of a normal match with nothing to play for, it becomes more of a tricky question if it's a critical match

 

[BernieWright13]

That question about whether you would see Everton lose a game to get rid of Martinez should be answered as if you have smallpox and need to take a minute shot of smallpox in order for you to not die of smallpox

Wow. Homeopathy on GOT. Whoever would have thought it?

But you're right in any case

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

So the first name linked is Bielsa? So how good is he? Have other premiership clubs tried to sign him? Does he speak english

He's nuts.

Let's get him in...

http://www.theguardian.com/football...15/dec/17/marcelo-bielsa-manager-swansea-city

 

[bluestevon]

Great information and very interesting to boot.
I can sense that the media are picking up on forums and social media discontent, and for me that's not good for our Club. I understand why some want the Manager dumped, and I can see the fixture pile up of April is going to be the defining element. It's pure bad luck on RM's part to have so many games in so short a time, and the Derby timing just a few days before the Semi-Final could be the killer. Conversely, it could also be the stay of execution and potentially the royal pardon if we beat them lot and progress to the Final and win it.
Spoke to a big Man City STH today and he said there were very strong rumours around the Etihad yesterday that a deal with Pellegrini has been 'done'. Interesting that he said "you'd be foolish...he has no plan B....his subs are never game changing and he always replaces like-for-like.... Mancini on the other hand..."

In their fans eyes Mancini will always be the manager who got them over the line and made them relevant mate, Pelligrini will always be the maneger that failed to push them onto the next level - if that makes any sense (the CL culd massively change that this seaosn ofc).

Plus one is more outwardly charasmatic, can't also ignore the plain fact that pelligrini has always been a placeholder till they could get Pep as well and the players and fans and people at the club all knew that.

For a manager who can operate a club with decent but not City levels of funding i'd go for Pelligrini over Mancini every day of the week though

 

[BernieWright13]

I don't like the fact that the papers etc are now having a go at Roberto. The pressure must be intense and this can make people take the wrong decisions. If I were to offer any advice to him I would say get the lads together, tell them you've made mistakes, forget the positives and point out what needs to be sorted, get angry with them if needed, sort out the bloody defence in training and then tell them to enjoy their football........then batter the RS into the earth...........

Roberto Martinez? Wrong decisions? Unlikey

 

[Rossholmes100]

It seems to me first season Bobby had a back four who were still indoctrinated(not even sure that's a word) into the ways of the Moyes, slowly but surely though that has ebbed away and we are where we are.

It seems this last couple of games it is coming more into the main stream media that we as fans are not happy. I do not take any pleasure in people losing their jobs but Martinez has had two full seasons to sort out glaring weaknesses and blindly refuses too, preferring to see positives where there really isn't any. If The Echo etc are also running rumours on managers being sounded out, it certainly does seem like the end of days for Martinez.

First season he inherited a good side from Moyes who were lacking a goalscorer. He got that in Lukaku on loan, but the team that finished 5th that season was very much Moyes' team still, and I genuinely believe Moyes would have taken that team to 5th or higher with Lukaku in the team, so it's not like Martinez had some great season - it wasn't his team. He's had two years since then, with more money than Moyes ever had, some of the best young players to come through the system, and as he's put his own stamp on the team he's destroyed it. There is no clear strategy or way of playing in any match recently, and the players have clearly had enough. Anyone can accept losses or young players making mistakes, but when the same mistakes are happening every single week and we're not learning from it, it comes down solely to the management and coaches. The man is clueless and he will take the club down given the chance. Get rid ASAP, cup win or not.

 

[kithnou]

Turn your volume up...

 

[The Mighty Quint]

More shocking stats...

 

[eddy]

I have arrived at the conclusion that it is cruel to keep Martinez in this position.
We need to let him go asap as what is happening is not good for him or the club.
The writing was on the wall last season and the board should of acted as we could all see
the direction we were heading. I think the board and others thought he was going through
a bad patch and could turn this around, but nothing changed. He has limited ability and the step up from
Wigan was a mountain for him to climb.
I honestly think he is a nice bloke with ideas unfortunatly they do not work. He is floundering now and it
is cruel to see. This could have been avoided if they had released him at the end of last season when a lot of us knew
his time was up.

 

[Toffeelover]

More shocking stats...

That is so ugh, until it is actually shown, the poorness of our performance under RM was not fully realised.

The mind is still boggling.