Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Darth Vader
Player Valuation: £25m
No mate
tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
Agree that it's only a matter of time now. There mood amongst the fans is so far against him that he'll be criticised for everything he says and every decision he makes from now on.
Orange ones?
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
I think the bit in bold towards the end of the quoted post say's it all.Mid table and the prospect of a cup final will do me grand!
Bazlar
Player Valuation: £25m
Agree mate. I do think he will go but just a little something didn't sit right with me today
Darth Vader
Player Valuation: £25m
How dare everton fans make there feelings known
Pay your money, Sit down and shut up
Pay your money, Sit down and shut up
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
We are 8th on points gained away from home mate, hardly brilliant is it? the same points away from home that stoke have got, a point more than Bournemouth, 3 more than palace, a point less than the rs, same points as Chelsea.
But yes, it's the fans and the banners
been through Johnson - remember the fans doing a few sit down protest at games mate and staying after the final whistle to make it plain and clear - and shock horror even chanting some stuff during that too?
You honestly think that today the team was undermined by the banners? - grow the hell up mate, for one the players probably didn't even see or notice them
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
Did he really expect to get away with humiliating Bainsy?It goes to show the sheer ignorance of the man and how little he understands this club.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Didn't want him initially (wanted tuchel), won me over big time in that first season, started to give me major doubts last year, and utterly lost me this one myself mate.
Darth Vader
Player Valuation: £25m
He hasn't got a clue mate
Shipped
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I still think Roberto's got a lot of good qualities.
I also don't think two seasons of under performance automatically means a manager should be sacked if they're building something for the long term.
It's the fact that our problems are clearly psychological and I don't think he has it in him to change them that I regretfully think he must go.
It's lack of consistent motivation or concentration or desire or togetherness I reckon we've been lacking for 2 seasons, and when that takes hold of a group it's a really hard thing to change that culture. It's intangible - a feeling, a psychology - not something concrete like tactics, team selection or training focus.
It also doesn't help that when he talks to the press, and by extension the fans, he seems utterly divorced from reality.
One thing I've noticed since I moved back up to the area is how no-nonsense and straight talking the people are.
If anyone's getting up themselves or delusional they get taken down a peg or two for their own good.
Bob chatted wham when we finished 5th too but when the results aren't there you want the manager to show they understand and are on the case.
All I get from his interviews now are either that he's lost the plot or that he's treating them like he's a spokesperson for North Korea or something and nothing negative can be acknowledged about the regime. If the latter is the case it's hard not to feel like he's insulting our intelligence. Just talk straight to Blues, they'll appreciate it.
That 1st season I felt, for the first time in my life, that Everton could be great again and I'll always love him for that.
I just no longer think he's the man to get us there sadly.
I think he'll be given to the end of the season and a cup win (or maybe even a loss in the final) will keep him here for the start of next season rightly or wrongly. For that reason I hope he wins every game and turns it around. Like I say I think he has a lot of strengths, it's just that his weaknesses are debilitating, paralysing right now. Acknowledging they exist would be a good start but, judging by interviews at least, maybe he just has a blind spot. It's probably gone too far anyway but you never know.
I also don't think two seasons of under performance automatically means a manager should be sacked if they're building something for the long term.
It's the fact that our problems are clearly psychological and I don't think he has it in him to change them that I regretfully think he must go.
It's lack of consistent motivation or concentration or desire or togetherness I reckon we've been lacking for 2 seasons, and when that takes hold of a group it's a really hard thing to change that culture. It's intangible - a feeling, a psychology - not something concrete like tactics, team selection or training focus.
It also doesn't help that when he talks to the press, and by extension the fans, he seems utterly divorced from reality.
One thing I've noticed since I moved back up to the area is how no-nonsense and straight talking the people are.
If anyone's getting up themselves or delusional they get taken down a peg or two for their own good.
Bob chatted wham when we finished 5th too but when the results aren't there you want the manager to show they understand and are on the case.
All I get from his interviews now are either that he's lost the plot or that he's treating them like he's a spokesperson for North Korea or something and nothing negative can be acknowledged about the regime. If the latter is the case it's hard not to feel like he's insulting our intelligence. Just talk straight to Blues, they'll appreciate it.
That 1st season I felt, for the first time in my life, that Everton could be great again and I'll always love him for that.
I just no longer think he's the man to get us there sadly.
I think he'll be given to the end of the season and a cup win (or maybe even a loss in the final) will keep him here for the start of next season rightly or wrongly. For that reason I hope he wins every game and turns it around. Like I say I think he has a lot of strengths, it's just that his weaknesses are debilitating, paralysing right now. Acknowledging they exist would be a good start but, judging by interviews at least, maybe he just has a blind spot. It's probably gone too far anyway but you never know.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
I'm old enough to remember and seen with my own eyes us win a lot of stuff mate and be at one point arguably the best team in Europe as is @Neiler , so for him to slate mostly young lads who have supported us and never seen us win anything and who go home and away week in and out despite that is sanctimonious.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Given the situation, this might seem a bit weird, but one thing Martinez has done, is given us hope.
By finishing fifth in his first season, playing some great footie, and nudging the glass ceiling, he's shown that you don't permanently have to take a knife to a gunfight, and you can compete with the big spenders without matching them in the wallet. Add that, to the fact that we appear to be leaving behind our general lack of ambition at board level, and, though our finances are unlikely to match the likes of United, Chelsea and City in my lifetime, we should be hopeful for the future.
Having said that, I've had a few beers pre-match, and on the way back too, so it's possible I'm talking complete bollocks.
By finishing fifth in his first season, playing some great footie, and nudging the glass ceiling, he's shown that you don't permanently have to take a knife to a gunfight, and you can compete with the big spenders without matching them in the wallet. Add that, to the fact that we appear to be leaving behind our general lack of ambition at board level, and, though our finances are unlikely to match the likes of United, Chelsea and City in my lifetime, we should be hopeful for the future.
Having said that, I've had a few beers pre-match, and on the way back too, so it's possible I'm talking complete bollocks.
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