Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Kiwi]

I don't think we'll go down this season, I mean we're bad but we're not that bad.

Not sure about next season though. The "free points" teams will be gone, Boro are looking very strong and Burnley look much more dangerous than they were last season. Those other sides in the playoff places are loaded with quality too.

Out of curiosity is that the Boro we half arsed it against and still lashed 2-0 away in the cup?
Or is that a different Boro?

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Because he will have achieved more than what his predecessors since 1995 have done. In 3 years.

So what? Really so bloody what

That is out of circumstances. Even portsmouth have won the FA cup

With the money he has had to spend he should be winning cups and challenging for Europe at the same time

Even if he had wins the cup he should be sacked the next day


We shouldn't just be happy with a cup win and terrible league form there is no excuse for not doing well in both and I'm not having it as an excuse. He got away with his horrendous league form last year because of Europe. He shouldn't get away with it now because of a cup run

We are Everton and we deserve better, and until we as fans demand it, it will never happen.

Roberto Martinez is not good enough to manage Everton fc cup win or not.

 

[willo30]

If we win the FA Cup then he absolutely should be given the chance to invest some cash into this squad.

Not so sure myself. He needs to show improvevent over 38 games to warrant big funds.
Was thinking earlier who needs the cup win more us or him. He doesn't win it and loses his job then I would expect him to be finished in top flight management for a while. On the other hand I can see him walking if he does win so not to damage his rep any further.

 

[Mickey]

His second season in charge showed a drastic change in his tactics. A much slower game especially at trying to win the ball back. 1st season was high impact. This has gradually got worse over last 2 seasons. I spotted it pre season in his second season. I couldn't understand it and reckoned it would have a negative impact especially at goodison which traditionally demands high energy from all players. I was thinking does he realise that this won't work here. It ain't Wigan. The crowd will demand to get stuck in and a failure to realise this at everton must mean u need to get positive results. To look at everton last 2 matches you couldn't find better examples. 1 nil down to utd. Everton players standing 10 yards off utd players who passes at free will with 10 mins to go. What tactic manual says when down stand repeatedly off the opposition in the hope that at some time they will give it back to you and you then play a long ball up to a front man who isn't supported . Repeat and repeat and hope for a wing in a prayer. Crazy tactics from a stubborn crazy manager.

That 2nd season pre-season was an absolute horror, think we lost every game didn't we, with Celta making us look like children. I also remember throwing away leads against Leicester and Arsenal at the start, things could've been alot different if we'd won those two games I feel. We've bottled plenty more since then.

 

[FisherEFC]

Why should he though, seriously, why?

What difference would it make our cup form and league form have not ever been the same.

We are getting worse and worse in the league with each passing day . He has already spent the most out of any Everton manager ever and its made no difference.

He should be sacked end of the season regardless. Winning a FA cup would just give Martinez an excuse to continue his terrible way of playing especially in the league.

Laudrup won the league cup with Swansea and was hooked, Swansea yes Swansea have more ambition than us, let that sink in.

 

[Kiwi]

But will he have? We will lose one may be two of the spine of the team because of poor league form. Removing them will essentially put the team back to square one and therefore there will be yet another excuse why we are struggling in the league.

Will you happily take a cup if it sent us down next year?

Bit of a farfetched scenario though isnt it?
Just saying.
I think even if the manager wins the cup there's a high chance they'll bin him anyway on the basis of two years of league form. New ownership provides a very handy excuse.

 

[EvertonRhys]

Have we sacked him yet?

 

[Ashtonian]

Bit of a farfetched scenario though isnt it?
Just saying.
I think even if the manager wins the cup there's a high chance they'll bin him anyway on the basis of two years of league form. New ownership provides a very handy excuse.

Not really mate. Last year we were relegation candidates til march. Now this year we may have less points (haven't checked) but more importantly we are closer to 17th than 10th. We are in April as well , with 3 teams who have been bottom 6 two years in a row about to go down.

And considering despite lukaku scoring more goals than last year and we are performing worse, struggling to beat teams who aren't the bottom three (5 out of our 9 wins are against teams playing in the championship next year). Despite all of that, you think it's unlikely that without lukakus goals and three horribly poor teams not there anymore that this team can struggle yet again and be three places lower?

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

Not so sure myself. He needs to show improvevent over 38 games to warrant big funds.
Was thinking earlier who needs the cup win more us or him. He doesn't win it and loses his job then I would expect him to be finished in top flight management for a while. On the other hand I can see him walking if he does win so not to damage his rep any further.

I have noticed that He(and the press) keep talking about EFC being in 2 Semi finals this year as if that's a definition of success. Surely that is the antithesis of NSNO, championing coming third!
Don't get me wrong I like Martinez positive personality, but, one of the key things a successful leader has to do is acknowledge their own weaknesses and hire, bring in, people to fill those gaps, and then listen to and implement their advice.
I get the feeling Roberto has not done that, particularly in terms of dressing room motivation and defensive qualities - but I also get the feeling that with the help f the press he is polishing his resume for the next job by lauding the phenomenal achievement of 2 semi finals in one season despite the league performances.
I actually believe, FA cup or not, he may resign at the end of the season to preserve the positivity of his own career.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Because he will have achieved more than what his predecessors since 1995 have done. In 3 years.

....you are employed in a capacity where you have to see off, say one project per month, over twelve months you complete two to standard (FA CUP WIN), everything else is WAY under par given the workforce you have.

You simply wouldn't get that work again the year after.

You'd be jibbed in favour of consistency.

Bad analogy that, pay no heed, I'm a tit.

I should have just said I don't trust him with the cash-pot, there was a time I would have, not now...

 

[willo30]

Not really mate. Last year we were relegation candidates til march. Now this year we may have less points (haven't checked) but more importantly we are closer to 17th than 10th. We are in April as well , with 3 teams who have been bottom 6 two years in a row about to go down.

And considering despite lukaku scoring more goals than last year and we are performing worse, struggling to beat teams who aren't the bottom three (5 out of our 9 wins are against teams playing in the championship next year). Despite all of that, you think it's unlikely that without lukakus goals and three horribly poor teams not there anymore that this team can struggle yet again and be three places lower?

Well, when you put it like that. Can't really argue.

 

[Toffeeslam]

Bit of a farfetched scenario though isnt it?
Just saying.
I think even if the manager wins the cup there's a high chance they'll bin him anyway on the basis of two years of league form. New ownership provides a very handy excuse.

I really hope so mate but by the way Kenwright was talking Martinez he looked like he was in love.

Might be a board room struggle to get rid of Roberto I just hope that Morshiri see's through the Martinez BS and pulls the trigger and has someone viable to bring in.

Otherwise I am really worried about next season as a bad start might mean we are in a relegation dog fight.....I sincerely thought I saw the last of those

 

[willo30]

I have noticed that He(and the press) keep talking about EFC being in 2 Semi finals this year as if that's a definition of success. Surely that is the antithesis of NSNO, championing coming third!
Don't get me wrong I like Martinez positive personality, but, one of the key things a successful leader has to do is acknowledge their own weaknesses and hire, bring in, people to fill those gaps, and then listen to and implement their advice.
I get the feeling Roberto has not done that, particularly in terms of dressing room motivation and defensive qualities - but I also get the feeling that with the help f the press he is polishing his resume for the next job by lauding the phenomenal achievement of 2 semi finals in one season despite the league performances.
I actually believe, FA cup or not, he may resign at the end of the season to preserve the positivity of his own career.

Agreed and a sacking on his cv along with a relegation will damage him no end. Resigning is probably his only his option.

 

[bluestevon]

Out of curiosity is that the Boro we half arsed it against and still lashed 2-0 away in the cup?
Or is that a different Boro?

You do know Boro made something like 8 changes for that game mate don't you, we played our starting 11 against a Boro reserves side that day...

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

So what? Really so bloody what

That is out of circumstances. Even portsmouth have won the FA cup

With the money he has had to spend he should be winning cups and challenging for Europe at the same time

Even if he had wins the cup he should be sacked the next day


We shouldn't just be happy with a cup win and terrible league form there is no excuse for not doing well in both and I'm not having it as an excuse. He got away with his horrendous league form last year because of Europe. He shouldn't get away with it now because of a cup run

We are Everton and we deserve better, and until we as fans demand it, it will never happen.

Roberto Martinez is not good enough to manage Everton fc cup win or not.

...we can back and forth between the fan-base all we want now, all the pro & con shiz, sadly the above is all that should matter, it's that apparent.

Lovely guy it seems, but....