Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Neiziro said:
I don't think we'll go down this season, I mean we're bad but we're not that bad.

Not sure about next season though. The "free points" teams will be gone, Boro are looking very strong and Burnley look much more dangerous than they were last season. Those other sides in the playoff places are loaded with quality too.
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Lad ?
 

Neiziro said:
I don't think we'll go down this season, I mean we're bad but we're not that bad.

Not sure about next season though. The "free points" teams will be gone, Boro are looking very strong and Burnley look much more dangerous than they were last season. Those other sides in the playoff places are loaded with quality too.
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Aiden McGeady
 
Tbf, he may not fully understand the words he types.
PhilEFC said:
Meaning if no one replies to your post and you then go on to post again to bring attention to it, calling people plebs in the process. Not hard to understand is it?
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Steve Wigan said:
No name calling from me. Where did you see that?



Please explain what you mean by 'attention seek'. I posted some support for Davek in his support of Martinez and I'm 'attention seeking' If you feel the need, read through some of my earlier posts, and then get real.
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Woolly Blue said:
The anti-Howard stuff made anything seen so far from the anti-Martinez camp seem like kindergarten stuff. People made their feelings very clearly known by both their actions, and probably more importantly, the fact that they stopped going to Goodison.

Martinez is a lovely guy and dead genuine, but I ( along with a few others ) spent an evening with Kendall before he turned it round.

We talked to him about the situation and not once did he blame the fans or his players. He accepted total responsibility for where we were, was convinced he was going to fix it, but accepted if he didn't, then he would be leaving.

I've only met Martinez briefly once, and he's obviously passionate about football and Everton, but I don't get the impression he has the same underlying strength of character that Howard did, but it'd be tremendous if I was wrong and he can turn it round.
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Interesting about the attendances. I suppose I was only starting to go regularly so wasn't able to compare it. Attendances seemed much more up and down generally then though. Still squirm at the ill judged 'get down to goodison' campaign.
How would you feel Martinez could communicate what his motivations are at the moment a lot better. Must be so much lost in translation that's going to be seen as excuses.
As a side point, what was really weird to me was how I remember the fans reacted to Mike Walkers stint. Very different to both Martinez and Kendall I think.
 

ijjysmith said:
If on the off chance we do win the cup it's going to make things very confusing.
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I think it'll make it confusing for the ownership and the fence sitters, but for most including myself I want him gone regardless.

Put it this way when we are sat in 15th next season any goodwill he'll have gotten from the cup win will be gone, which is why for me Moshiri needs to pull the trigger regardless if he has any sense.
 
Saint Domingo said:
You're flogging a dead horse with this one. I could ha e bought your argument around 2011, we'd sold off Arteta Pienaar and Yakubu was ruined after injury. Moyes' squad refresh in his last few seasons was great though. Gibson, Jelavic, Mirallas and Naismith all in for the first team. Stones brought in, Barkley and Garbutt promoted in and around the first team.

Martinez had nothing to complain about with his handover. Sadly his first few bits of trading were poor. He sold off Jelavic and Anichebe for Kone and Fellaini for McCarthy and Barry (decent but neither make the impact Fellaini had for us). It was only when Lukaku came in that the first transfer window was rescued.

He got left two huge prodigies in Stones and Barkley, a massive cash cow in Fellaini, and a load of players in their prime.

Flogging a dead horse.
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mkrudden said:
I think the actual truth is more in the middle of you and Zat here.

Sure Distin and Howard had great seasons with RM first year but they then fell off a cliff.
Same with Pienaar.
Heitinga was an enigma and rightfully moved on.
Thomas Hiztlsperger was moved on pre-Martinez and rightfully so.
Same with Jan Mucha.
Where is Tony Hibbert?
Vellios moved on - not up to it.
Phil Neville - for all his inadequacies on the pitch, he was a solid leader
Jelavic turned out to be cack.
Anichebe the same.
Fellaini was always going to go, good player though obviously.
Osman faded even further after RM season 1.
Gibson is about his match fit on a regular basis as my old man.

From all of the above, only Fellaini would be still playing regularly now for us. So that's 14 players who either before, during or after season 1 of RM were rightfully moved on/deteriorated to the point where 38 games out of them was impossible.

Regardless of whether RM has adequately replaced them, they needed replacing during/after his first season. That might not have been as apparent at the time, but it's clear now after the event.

The rebuilding job he was left with was absolutely huge. He's actually done a pretty fantastic job at doing it too, piece by piece, window by window.

It's this reason why I've not a plotter yet. You throw this in with the amount of inexperienced/younger players he has introduced - in line with the previous financial model he was told to work within - and you're going to get really inconsistent results.

That said, i'm getting sick of losing.
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Probably a discussion more suited to in here lads:

@Saint Domingo @Zatara
 
His second season in charge showed a drastic change in his tactics. A much slower game especially at trying to win the ball back. 1st season was high impact. This has gradually got worse over last 2 seasons. I spotted it pre season in his second season. I couldn't understand it and reckoned it would have a negative impact especially at goodison which traditionally demands high energy from all players. I was thinking does he realise that this won't work here. It ain't Wigan. The crowd will demand to get stuck in and a failure to realise this at everton must mean u need to get positive results. To look at everton last 2 matches you couldn't find better examples. 1 nil down to utd. Everton players standing 10 yards off utd players who passes at free will with 10 mins to go. What tactic manual says when down stand repeatedly off the opposition in the hope that at some time they will give it back to you and you then play a long ball up to a front man who isn't supported . Repeat and repeat and hope for a wing in a prayer. Crazy tactics from a stubborn crazy manager.
 

mkrudden said:
If we win the FA Cup then he absolutely should be given the chance to invest some cash into this squad.
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Why should he though, seriously, why?

What difference would it make our cup form and league form have not ever been the same.

We are getting worse and worse in the league with each passing day . He has already spent the most out of any Everton manager ever and its made no difference.

He should be sacked end of the season regardless. Winning a FA cup would just give Martinez an excuse to continue his terrible way of playing especially in the league.
 
AaronTheBlue said:
Why should he though, seriously, why?

What difference would it make our cup form and league form have not ever been the same.

We are getting worse and worse in the league with each passing day . He has already spent the most out of any Everton manager ever and its made no difference.

He should be sacked end of the season regardless. Winning a FA cup would just give Martinez an excuse to continue his terrible way of playing especially in the league.
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Because he will have achieved more than what his predecessors since 1995 have done. In 3 years.
 
mkrudden said:
Because he will have achieved more than what his predecessors since 1995 have done. In 3 years.
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But will he have? We will lose one may be two of the spine of the team because of poor league form. Removing them will essentially put the team back to square one and therefore there will be yet another excuse why we are struggling in the league.

Will you happily take a cup if it sent us down next year?
 

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