Everton and Martinez are to blame should Lukaku leave

[Goat]

Lower GSE slating of Ross right here...moan on LGSEers.

Not once in my entire life have I ever said a single bad word about any Everton player at a match.

GT5 for Life.

 

[Sentinel]

The under achievement didn't just set in with Martinez or even Moyes for that matter. It's been endemic at the the club for decades.

We can all turn round and say well, Spurs, Southampton, United and the lot over the park wouldn't put up with this.. Well ask yourself why?

It's the board who won't accept it, so they take a dim view of failure as well as the supporters. I'll put this to you, irrespective of your views on our current manager or former one, the board don't believe they have been unsuccessful. It's something we argue about and doesn't register to them.

I find it absurd all the posts on Martinez and no-one is mentioning the complicity of the board. Sure, it's been done to death and no-one wants to talk about it. Doesn't mean it's gone away or isn't a factor. It's as important as ever. Collective amnesia.

If you want to be successful again, look at the men hiring and firing and put them under pressure.

 

[Goat]

The under achievement didn't just set in with Martinez or even Moyes for that matter. It's been endemic at the the club for decades.

We can all turn round and say well, Spurs, Southampton, United and the lot over the park wouldn't put up with this.. Well ask yourself why?

It's the board who won't accept it, so they take a dim view of failure as well as the supporters. I'll put this to you, irrespective of your views on our current manager or former one, the board don't believe they have been unsuccessful. It's something we argue about and doesn't register to them.

I find it absurd all the posts on Martinez and no-one is mentioning the complicity of the board. Sure, it's been done to death and no-one wants to talk about it. Doesn't mean it's gone away or isn't a factor. It's as important as ever. Collective amnesia.

If you want to be successful again, look at the men hiring and firing and put them under pressure.

The Board has backed Martinez tho, fully, hes had access to more money than any Everton Manager before him and he was "allowed" to keep Stones despite some very high bidding from Chelsea, they have given the players he wants to keep contracts and even given him money to attempt to sign players such as Byram, Jargenmenko, Payet, dat jarg Defender West Ham signed and a few other players if the rumours are to be believed.

So whilst under other managers the Board could have been blamed for a lack of funding and selling players for good money, they cant be faulted for our current position IMO, not this time.

 

[Goat]

Anyway, ive had a think.

Rom will sign for Arsenal, we will receive Ospina and 40m English Pounds.

You heard it here first.

 

[kithnou]

Anyway, ive had a think.

Rom will sign for Arsenal, we will receive Ospina and 40m English Pounds.

You heard it here first.

Go to bed mate. Fluffity fluff is clearly contagious...

 

[Goat]

Go to bed mate. Fluffity fluff is clearly contagious...

Going to bed now, but dont forget who told you all Howard would be gone this year.

 

[kithnou]

Going to bed now, but dont forget who told you all Howard would be gone this year.

You genius

 

[Sentinel]

The Board has backed Martinez tho, fully,

Ok, let's go back to last summer. Before Leicester and before Chelsea's implosion, current thinking then, went as follows. "You can't finish outside of your wage structure"

All those talking heads don't mention that as they beat Martinez with the stick, but hey they all adhered to it as gospel last summer. Martinez was backed for sure. Not from the boards pocket but from increased TV revenue, to finish between 10th and 5th. Is he under achieving in the league, no one is arguing that.

Has he really been backed to take the title home. No...No manager since Harvey has been given that luxury.

 

[Zatara]

I know were you're going with this line of reasoning and you've repeated it a few times. I'm not disagreeing, I'd point out though that Howard Kendall was himself initially polarizing.

What turns a lot of supporters around is success, Kendall delivered ultimately.

I will say this though, I read a lot of posts about Everton on various sites. There's a lot of wise hindsight going on recently. Besides the eternal optimists amongst us, I can't readily recall too many suggesting we'd finish top 4 this season. Top 6 yes, but not higher than that. I also seem to remember last season the argument, that you only finish in around were your wage bill allows. So again, between 10th and 5th or thereabouts. I'm not defending Martinez underachievement in the league, just saying there's a lot people jumping on the bandwagon stating we should be top 4. Who knew how the the season would pan out back in August?

I am keen to see our wage bill after the 'old guard' are removed....id imagine it would be one of the lowest in the league. Usually a good barometer.

 

[Sentinel]

id imagine it would be one of the lowest in the league

To my knowledge, pre Moshiri. We had a wage cap of 80k. Consistent with clubs outside of the previous 2015-16 season, top 4.

 

[oldblue]

Rom has always made it clearer than any player I can remember except maybe Mirallas that we were a stepping stone. This is nothing to do with our current league form, as soon as a richer club wanted him then he'd want to go.
I thought this would take a couple more years but it hasn't by the sound of it.
I'd be looking at a forward like Sturridge. Although obviously not him. But someone who is always looking for pockets of space and clever movement along the line. We may get someone who fits how our midfielders are looking to play and have spare cash.
Sorry to see a figurehead go if he does but we've improved from every big sale in recent years.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Rom has always made it clearer than any player I can remember except maybe Mirallas that we were a stepping stone. This is nothing to do with our current league form, as soon as a richer club wanted him then he'd want to go.
I thought this would take a couple more years but it hasn't by the sound of it.
I'd be looking at a forward like Sturridge. Although obviously not him. But someone who is always looking for pockets of space and clever movement along the line. We may get someone who fits how our midfielders are looking to play and have spare cash.
Sorry to see a figurehead go if he does but we've improved from every big sale in recent years.

A stepping stone to a club in the CL, which obviously brings a wage packet to match

It was always a tall order to think we could achieve that this season, but the fact that we're miles always from even being in contention will have cemented his thinking.

The money side of will no longer be an issue, so we could meet his 'ambition' there I'm sure, but on the pitch we haven't even got close.

He's going to be impossible to replace. He's the first 25 goal a season man we've had since Lineker

 

[KevMirallas]

Can't blame him for leaving. He's excellent, has played his heart out and scored some boss goals.

Failings that are completely out of his hands have undermined his good work. You can either blame the man in charge of the team for that, or a 24-month period of FREAK ACCIDENTS. I know where my money would lay.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Can't blame him for leaving. He's excellent, has played his heart out and scored some boss goals.

Failings that are completely out of his hands have undermined his good work. You can either blame the man in charge of the team for that, or a 24-month period of FREAK ACCIDENTS. I know where my money would lay.

Goalscorers like Lukaku are gold dust.

We've had one and he's delivered. The fact that his goals haven't results in a very strong league campaign sits firmly and squarely with the manager. It's an undeniable fact.

 

[raithrovers94]

Even if we did qualify for.champions league he would still find reason to go these players have no loyalties