Roberto Martinez discussion

[nevsonlymate]

This is the crux of the matter. If you are playing in a certain way and it is not working because a player is having a mare then change him. If the system isn't working and the players are playing well then you need a substitute who will change the system and make the opposition change what they are doing.
Rarely does Plan A (2) work, sometimes you need a Plan B.

There were so many different options to change the system like taking off a centre half and letting Barry drop if and when required and bringing on someone on the left or floating behind the front two,he seems to be getting like Moyes as you can predict 9 times out of 10 what substitutes he is going to make

 

[BlueLlama]

How he spends the Lukaku money will make or break him in the summer

 

[Caolam]

There were so many different options to change the system like taking off a centre half and letting Barry drop if and when required and bringing on someone on the left or floating behind the front two,he seems to be getting like Moyes as you can predict 9 times out of 10 what substitutes he is going to make

And if we can predict what he is going to do then other managers can do it too.

 

[Saint Domingo]

How he spends the Lukaku money will make or break him in the summer

Thought last summer was the lesson learning time when the training wheels came off? Martinez even said it himself, a keeper, creative midfielder, backup striker, Barry getting rotated, how many of these things happened? None.

 

[mkrudden]

Thought last summer was the lesson learning time when the training wheels came off? Martinez even said it himself, a keeper, creative midfielder, backup striker, Barry getting rotated, how many of these things happened? None.

How many times are you going to make the same comment about Barry.

We get it.

You're nowhere near as boring as it suggests when you keep labouring the point about Barry. Let it go.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Having read the last couple of pages I'm now convinced that Dave is a chico multi

 

[The Equaliser]

Comedy gold.

 

[Lanolin]

He's not getting sacked, so the gnashing is for literally nothing.

This is a very young team, and in any sport a young team will be inconsistent while it learns. It will produce moments of brilliant flair but lacks tactical understanding. Every young athlete is like this.

I can't remember too many games that we've been second best in this season. Most of the games we've lost, we've outplayed our opponents and lost to moments of naivety or madness. Most of those indiscretions fall on Martinez's shoulders, but so too does the fact the team played well enough to be in a winning position in the first place.

This season has been so close to being a good one. The Bournemouth game remains my tipping point - we claim a last gasp win there, morale explodes and we kick on after an excellent few weeks. But from then on, the team has lacked belief and fortitude.

People are right when they say this team is close to something excellent. People are right when they say the manager is responsible for parts of the disappointment this season (and even moreso last season). Nobody is right in suggesting he is close to losing his job, that's just the reality of the club at present.

It's not easy some weeks, but all we can do is watch it unfold. He might bring the best out of some rising stars, tidy up the few lingering issues and see us really kick on. He might be brought completely undone by stubbornness and his tactical failings. Either way, the end game is some time away from now, rendering the debate largely pointless.

This is a key issue for me. It's easy to think that way, but the facts don't back it up. Over the last 18 months there have been numerous times when we've looked like going on a good run, but we never do.

It's all very well saying we conceded in the last minute at Bournemouth, but we scored in the last minute too. The game was a draw, and that's what we deserved.

Same this week, confidence should have been sky high and west broms was rock bottom, but we conspired to lose the game. I think there's more to it than the odd bad result setting them back.

 

[The Equaliser]

you've got to be on the wind up

I hate to break this to you sir, but yes, he is.

 

[Simon baker]

This is a key issue for me. It's easy to think that way, but the facts don't back it up. Over the last 18 months there have been numerous times when we've looked like going on a good run, but we never do.

It's all very well saying we conceded in the last minute at Bournemouth, but we scored in the last minute too. The game was a draw, and that's what we deserved.

Same this week, confidence should have been sky high and west broms was rock bottom, but we conspired to lose the game. I think there's more to it than the odd bad result setting them back.

True but small margins McCarthy doesn't get injured & stays on the pitch I believe we win the game.

 

[McBain]

Eh?

It's been pretty obvious for a while mate.

Wink Wink.

 

[mkrudden]

True but small margins McCarthy doesn't get injured & stays on the pitch I believe we win the game.

And I think that's the most frustrating thing about seemingly most of the anti-Martinez brigade, the lack of appreciation to all factors.

Martinez has made some mistakes. Some players have made mistakes. We are part way through the plan of transfer Windows for improving the squad. We've had to contend with injuries to key player - most defensive, we have a wealth of promising young, inconsistent players because we can't afford seasoned pros of the same quality.

Throw it all in a big mixing bowl and you get a premier football team still yet to crack on and take the season by the scruff of the neck.

Shock horror.

But wait. No. Scratch that. It's all Martinez, Kone and occasionally Barkleys fault.

Lol.

 

[KevMirallas]

This is a key issue for me. It's easy to think that way, but the facts don't back it up. Over the last 18 months there have been numerous times when we've looked like going on a good run, but we never do.

It's all very well saying we conceded in the last minute at Bournemouth, but we scored in the last minute too. The game was a draw, and that's what we deserved.

Same this week, confidence should have been sky high and west broms was rock bottom, but we conspired to lose the game. I think there's more to it than the odd bad result setting them back.

I'm saying that last minute winner would have been a big boost. But instead conceding again had a drastically opposite effect.

 

[Elong]

Having read the last couple of pages I'm now convinced that Dave is a chico multi

Chico's not that good.

 

[Goat]

It's been pretty obvious for a while mate.

Wink Wink.