From the fence

chicoazul · February 17, 2016

Neiler said:
Jesus what ever happened to we're boss or gash.

You've changed man.

Miss those days lid.

Neiler · February 17, 2016

Rob

chicoazul said:
Miss those days lid.

Rock and roll and Rob Japan!

chicoazul · February 17, 2016

Neiler said:
Rob

Rock and roll and Rob Japan!

And Shampoo who murdered him with the bad rabies.

DAMN YOU SHAMPOO.

RIP Rob.

The Esk · February 17, 2016

Can't say I am in to this fence sitting malarkey to be honest.

Despite our resource limitations we have a competitive, exciting and promising squad, our concerns lie not with our playing squad but with our manager.

2013/14 - tremendous, looked to be the real deal
2014/15 - concerns surfaced but benefit of the doubt given
2015/16 - the same concerns apparent despite extra resources and a more experienced squad and a more opportune environment

He's a nice guy, talented in several areas but his weaknesses suggest in business parlance he'll never be a winning CEO. He has the ability and talent to be part of a winning team but not as leader, more and more I see him as Director of football development (not sure such a position exists) nurturing young talent and developing individuals rather than a team.

I think he'd do an amazing job at bringing individuals to the point where they maximise their potential but we need a real tactical expert to make us a team greater than the sum of our parts.

bicycleheader · February 17, 2016

@The Esk please go back to the board & takeover threads and stop giving PR boosts to the plotters

or get on the fence. he is quite clearly the greatest and worst football manager in the world

tommye · February 17, 2016

my main concern is @GrandOldTeam whoring @chicoazul's likes with the OP

LAToffee · February 17, 2016

And this is how you turn yet another thread into the "Roberto Martinez discussion." Almost want him fired so that we can just change the subject on here.

The Esk · February 17, 2016

LAToffee said:
And this is how you turn yet another thread into the "Roberto Martinez discussion." Almost want him fired so that we can just change the subject on here.

How can you not have an opinion on the manager, unless you sit right on top of the fence?

Kiwi · February 17, 2016

LAToffee said:
And this is how you turn yet another thread into the "Roberto Martinez discussion." Almost want him fired so that we can just change the subject on here.

We almost had an interesting discussion on here last night with one of the BU boys on here.
Was a refreshing change from the circuitous arguments where both sides mostly just throw chairs at each other.
It's no fun being a moderate these days

chicoazul · February 17, 2016

Kiwi said:
We almost had an interesting discussion on here last night with one of the BU boys on here.
Was a refreshing change from the circuitous arguments where both sides mostly just throw chairs at each other.
It's no fun being a moderate these days

GOT used to be smaller but a Mecca for moderates. It was our Garden of Eden.

Then one day @davek turned up and made @micknick take a bite of an apple and things changed pretty quickly from there.

LAToffee · February 17, 2016

Kiwi said:
We almost had an interesting discussion on here last night with one of the BU boys on here.
Was a refreshing change from the circuitous arguments where both sides mostly just throw chairs at each other.
It's no fun being a moderate these days

BU boys?

Kiwi · February 17, 2016

LAToffee said:
BU boys?

The Blue Union.
Board hardliners if you will

LAToffee · February 17, 2016

Slippin Jimmy said:
We need a new Jedi poster to bring balance back to the force.

We're the change we've been waiting for (I'll get my coat)

davek · February 17, 2016

The Esk said:
Can't say I am in to this fence sitting malarkey to be honest.

Despite our resource limitations we have a competitive, exciting and promising squad, our concerns lie not with our playing squad but with our manager.

2013/14 - tremendous, looked to be the real deal
2014/15 - concerns surfaced but benefit of the doubt given
2015/16 - the same concerns apparent despite extra resources and a more experienced squad and a more opportune environment

He's a nice guy, talented in several areas but his weaknesses suggest in business parlance he'll never be a winning CEO. He has the ability and talent to be part of a winning team but not as leader, more and more I see him as Director of football development (not sure such a position exists) nurturing young talent and developing individuals rather than a team.

I think he'd do an amazing job at bringing individuals to the point where they maximise their potential but we need a real tactical expert to make us a team greater than the sum of our parts.

I don't know how anyone with any sense of history can be drawn into this vortex of hysteria surrounding the manager. Where we are right now is not an unusual place for us to be. Moyes had us here on a number of occasions and it was never a matter of great concern (what sort of profile would you have given him, btw?).

Martinez "will never be a winning CEO" - his CV suggests otherwise. As for him not being a leader, I'm staggered by that assertion. It takes a pair of massive gonads to take a football club by the scruff of the neck, as he did down at Swansea, and reconstruct that club from something it was into something else entirely. His time there set in motion a process that they still adhere to now as a PL outfit of a number of years standing. That takes great leadership qualities to take all those people with you, at such a very young age too. He's had to do the exact same thing here at Everton. He's transformed this club, as with Swansea, from one type of playing style to another - casting off a culture that had been in place for a generation in the space of a couple of seasons. Maybe the speed that's been done at has been disorientating for players and fans and perhaps that's contributed to the imbalance we see in the team right now, but to suggest a lack of leadership makes little sense to me.

Goat · February 17, 2016

davek said:
I don't know how anyone with any sense of history can be drawn into this vortex of hysteria surrounding the manager. Where we are right now is not an unusual place for us to be. Moyes had us here on a number of occasions and it was never a matter of great concern (what sort of profile would you have given him, btw?).

Martinez "will never be a winning CEO" - his CV suggests otherwise. As for him not being a leader, I'm staggered by that assertion. It takes a pair of massive gonads to take a football club by the scruff of the neck, as he did down at Swansea, and reconstruct that club from something it was into something else entirely. His time there set in motion a process that they still adhere to now as a PL outfit of a number of years standing. That takes great leadership qualities to take all those people with you, at such a very young age too. He's had to do the exact same thing here at Everton. He's transformed this club, as with Swansea, from one type of playing style to another - casting off a culture that had been in place for a generation in the space of a couple of seasons. Maybe the speed that's been done at has been disorientating for players and fans and perhaps that's contributed to the imbalance we see in the team right now, but to suggest a lack of leadership makes little sense to me.

Love the way you keep going back to Moyes, also a massive failure of a manager, the benchmark is set very low for you huh?