Roberto Martinez discussion

[Toast]

Yeah probably Toast but I'm sure most Spurs fans are of the same mindset, I know a couple on a wrestling forum I go on who aren't getting giddy about their position just yet

They Rick Flair fans I'd bet ?

 

[ianefc]

Possibly... but not a given. The players they have spent on are supposed superstars ... ours are products of the youth system or promising youngsters who are progressing. Like I said, some context needs to be used if you're grouping him with the 2 manc bosses.

I didn't. Couldn't give a toss what any club does apart from Everton. I was simply stating that UTD and CITY will be changing managers this summer, I never brought them up.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

Well, I said this season if we made 60 points plus a good cup run it'd be a very good effort given the rebuilding and development. We're under shooting that PL total, but I wouldn't see it as a poor season in the context of the good cup runs and the developmental stage these prayers are at. Next season is different. I think four seasons in we should be getting our PL points total into the mid 60s given these players we have.

What's confused the issue entirely is the staggeringly good first season. 72 points is off the charts mad for a first season in charge. Everything Martinez has done since has struggled to get out of the shadow of that season. We won't get anywhere near it next season, but we have to be in the mid 60 points range and qualifying for Europe.

Have some ambition. We are Everton. Does NSNO mean nothing?

But yes, you are right when you say that first season set the bar too high. But we have a squad capable of matching that now, and should be surpassing it but isn't.

 

[davids]

He did what everybody asked of him,kept a winning team,no Howard,we dominated the game but we lost to the team possibly best at bus parking in the division.A manager can only do so much,OK Kone and Osman subs weren't the best but it was one of those games that whoever played we wouldn't have scored.If we have new owners at the end of the season things will be reassessed I'd imagine.But for now we should just get behind him and the team.

 

[Darth Vader]

You should be made to change your avatar to show your alliance

 

[davek]

AVB got the exact same points total his first season in charge of spurs mate - also was their record points total in the 'prem era' as well, next season whilst in 7th they sacked him for underperforming

He spent a kings ransom and wasted it pretty much. And Spurs did have a very recent history of CL football qualification - and being robbed of a qualifying place when Chelsea won Big Ears.

In short: different metric.

 

[Ashtonian]

I disagree. It underlines why, when people call this manager a clown etc, they are ridiculously wide of the mark. It's there as real evidence that the feller given a fair wind and confidence coursing through his players can rip up what we traditionally believe to be our points range.

It's irrefutable and therefore something that holes below the water line any of the nonsense his detractors come out with.

Problem is mate which a lot of people are admittedly knee jerking on was bad management of the game yesterday. I'm not.personally holding that result against him but his subs and reading of the game was terrible. In theory yes kone and osman may have been the right sub, but years younger than what they are now. It cost us the game because we then ran out of ideas.

Personally the three should have been mirallas del and Baines for McCarthy Oviedo and Lennon. Then just use the pace to run at the defence, make them cause mistakes that way. Rom.was marked.out the game but with two fast wingers attacking the 1980s style defence, we could have forced the goals. Remember we nearly had one player sent off by doing just that, making them commit. Rom could have pulled 2 defenders with him creating space as.well.

And I have no coaching badges mate.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

If Martinez finishing top half is considered acceptable now, isn't he just doing what Moyes was doing for a decade, only with better players and a more attractive style?

 

[davek]

Unfortunately we'll probably loose 2-3 of our "star" players in the summer so next season will be another "development" one in a never ending groundhog day of missed opportunities

Not according to Lukaku's recent interview.

Of course, if daft money comes in the nine could be sold. Stones probably.

 

[davek]

He is taking us backwards mate and not getting the best out of this squad.
We are 11th again as we finished last season and we have 4 home wins in 10 months which is criminal.
We need to get shut of him to progress

Season finishes in May last time I looked.

 

[riddick]

How is it moving the goal posts to consistently say that 72 points proves he's the superior to Moyes, that it proves he's a better manager than the keyboard chairmen say he is, and that it was a fantastic season but we'll never get more than that with the resources we have available? That's all I've said in the past on the matter.

Our realistic target should be mid 60 points and try and nick a cup...and play some decent football along the way.

Its because you have said that is the be-all/end-all. You have said multiple times how that shows how great a manager he can be, yet we've languishing around 10th at this point for TWO YEARS. Cup runs mean absolutely f-all if you don't win them. Its ridiculous that you cant admit that we have regressed as a side being below where your antichrist Moyes had us for damn near a decade.

 

[daz4matty]

Season finishes in May last time I looked.

It does but he seems to like this 11th spot.
Still only 4 home wins in 10 months any thoughts on that comment

 

[davek]

Surely that means you agree not disagree. Otherwise I can't make sense of that. I said him getting his first season points total is saving him some serious heat.

I'm saying the heat isn't deserved in the first place, your use of the 72 point figure is to suggest it covers a multitude is sins. So, no, I don't agree with you angle.

 

[davek]

It does but he seems to like this 11th spot.
Still only 4 home wins in 10 months any thoughts on that comment

I prefer to emphasise away form.

I hear it's one of the best in the league.

 

[Kurt.]

I didn't. Couldn't give a toss what any club does apart from Everton. I was simply stating that UTD and CITY will be changing managers this summer, I never brought them up.

And again, it's context. If Martinez had spent over 100 million last summer I too would be demanding better results. As it stands we have to build slowly .... it's about being realistic in our ambitions. Changing a manager who is 3 seasons into rebuilding a team piece by piece ( and to be honest getting both some woeful and also excellent results ) will set us back years.