Roberto Martinez discussion

maccavennie · February 14, 2016

McBain said:
I'm of the opinion the obscurity of potential is clouding many a sound judgement. The Premier League is performance based occupation. It's high stakes at the big table. It's as simple as that. You roll the dice, you win, you get three points and you look to the next week. You lose, you learn from your mistakes and you don't make the same mistake again. You make the same mistakes again, and rightly, questions are asked. You continually make the same mistakes and your time is up.

I've seen more negatives than positives in the current set up. We're in a funny place where players he's brought in have this amazing potential and yet it's the really basic stuff he can't get right. Not even get right, it does appear Roberto has no clue about any other side of Football, and we all know there's more than one way to play the game. We also seem to keep moving the goalposts in terms of where we will judge him. After 10 games...half way through the season...and now after what has to be construed as another failure of a season in the most open competition in a long time it's shifted to May. What's that going to achieve? Three years is plenty enough time and when were hot were very good, but when were not we absolutely stink. We seem to be expecting El Dorado to be over the next mountain. And then it's just across the river. And then it's in yonder valley. His team selections, his naivety, awful substitutions and his insanely one dimensional tactics make good players look awful. I really do 'get' the pure ideology behind the man, but with no plan B or C up his sleeve, he's increasingly being found out.

Look around and take stock of the other teams we compete with. What has changing Manager done for them, and why are we so afraid to do the same thing?

Jig's up for me.

Excellent post this mate.

daz4matty · February 14, 2016

Kurt said:
I did warn you

Sorry i don't roll like that

Toast · February 14, 2016

riddick said:
Pochettino: 2 points behind league leaders LEICESTER

Martinez: 'robbed' in the league cup semi's.

So if Everton were not robbed in the semi, and we were at Wembley in a few weeks.. This thread would still be going ?
If you look at the today's football thread, I've posted about Pochettino, I like the lad.. Still won nothing yet.

Kurt. · February 14, 2016

daz4matty said:
Sorry i don't roll like that

again, could you please stop stalking me

daz4matty · February 14, 2016

Kurt said:
again, could you please stop stalking me

I think its you stalking me.
Lets just ignore each other

riddick · February 14, 2016

Toast said:
So if Everton were not robbed in the semi, and we were at Wembley in a few weeks.. This thread would still be going ?
If you look at the today's football thread, I've posted about Pochettino, I like the lad.. Still won nothing yet.

"if wishes were fishes" and all that. We're not. Spurs are 2 points from winning the [Poor language removed] league. But don't worry, we're a midtable team and we have 'gone far' in a cup competition. Didn't win, mind. Just 'gone far'. Because that counts more than apparently finishing 5th, which gets ACTUALLY gets a team into Europe, which NOT winning a cup does not.

Dutch Toffee · February 14, 2016

daz4matty said:
Think you want my arse man

Enough is enough mate, please keep it civilized. Everybody is entitled to his opinion as long as it's kept within the forum rules.

Kurt. · February 14, 2016

daz4matty said:
I think its you stalking me.
Lets just ignore each other

..and again.

davek · February 14, 2016

ianefc said:
If this season pans out as you suggest, how would you feel if next season followed a similar pattern?

Well, I said this season if we made 60 points plus a good cup run it'd be a very good effort given the rebuilding and development. We're under shooting that PL total, but I wouldn't see it as a poor season in the context of the good cup runs and the developmental stage these prayers are at. Next season is different. I think four seasons in we should be getting our PL points total into the mid 60s given these players we have.

What's confused the issue entirely is the staggeringly good first season. 72 points is off the charts mad for a first season in charge. Everything Martinez has done since has struggled to get out of the shadow of that season. We won't get anywhere near it next season, but we have to be in the mid 60 points range and qualifying for Europe.

Toast · February 14, 2016

riddick said:
"if wishes were fishes" and all that. We're not. Spurs are 2 points from winning the [Poor language removed] league. But don't worry, we're a midtable team and we have 'gone far' in a cup competition. Didn't win, mind. Just 'gone far'. Because that counts more than apparently finishing 5th, which gets ACTUALLY gets a team into Europe, which NOT winning a cup does not.

I'm an idiot.
Thanks for the capital letters.
I never realised that until you done that.

bluestevon · February 14, 2016

MoutsGoat said:
I was speaking to somebody the other day, dont recall who, LOL, anyway, I said, we havent been utterly destroyed all season, bar United, City twice and Vardy FC, we aint a million miles away, which just makes it all the more frustrating.

Still think the United result was hugely impacted by the loss of Kendall the morning of the game as well personally

orly · February 14, 2016

Megatron said:
Cleverley can and has, not bothering with this any more. Pointless trying to argue someone with strong hatred

But it's not a strong hatred.

It's a view backed up with statistics.

Here's another one for you. Of the eight (sob) league wins from 26 games this season, I think Cleverley has featured in 4 of them - two of them vs Newcastle, the away win at Southampton and the away win at Stoke (happy to be corrected on this one but I think it is right - doesn't feature vs Villa, Sunderland, Chelsea home or West Brom away). He's featured in 15 games.

Tom Cleverley should be nowhere near the Everton match day squad. He's not a solid player, he's not even a decent one.

ianefc · February 14, 2016

davek said:
Well, I said this season if we made 60 points plus a good cup run it'd be a very good effort given the rebuilding and development. We're under shooting that PL total, but I wouldn't see it as a poor season in the context of the good cup runs and the developmental stage these prayers are at. Next season is different. I think four seasons in we should be getting our PL points total into the mid 60s given these players we have.

What's confused the issue entirely is the staggeringly good first season. 72 points is off the charts mad for a first season in charge. Everything Martinez has done since has struggled to get out of the shadow of that season. We won't get anywhere near it next season, but we have to be in the mid 60 points range and qualifying for Europe.

It may have confused the issue, but that first season is surely saving him some serious heat, if we were on the 3rd season of this I think you'd be fighting a much lonelier battle.

bluestevon · February 14, 2016

MoutsGoat said:
I just thought they wanted it more, not often I say that about a team playing Everton and it speaks more about them than it does us, but its borderline, so lets call it a draw.

think Leicester have wanted pretty much every game more than the opposition all season long mate, its why they are where they are in the league in large part, last time we had half that fight about us we won the FA cup under Royle